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A Thermite/Thermate Question

GiE said in another thread that his avatar was a picture of the "squibs" proving a controlled demolition. Since he believes in the ther*te nonsense, I would like him to reconcile this. How could thermite cause "squibs"? Or maybe it was thermite and explosives?
 
Now that GiE's façade has fallen I'm tempted to put him on ignore. Initially I thought that this was someone who was young, but who could read what was put to him and digest it, but I'm now seeing that this isn't the case and that there is a much, much deeper and wider agenda, however, I think that it's worth pursuing simply to show someone that there are a wide variety of people here and that there are experts who have much to offer. I've learnt quite alot on these forums (especially physics and biology) so I don't see why others can't.

GiE - Irrespective of what you believe, why do you dismiss people here who have wide knowledge and vast experience in their fields? I for one am quite comfortable with materials science and I have no agenda. Infact, can you even imagine how much kudos, reputation, fame and umm, well everything else that went with showing that thermite was found at WTC would give me? I've looked at what Prof Jones has given and there is nothing there. If I thought it worthy I'd be right there challenging and champing at the bit to show that I was right. I'd run it past 10-20 people in my field that I know and trust without them even knowing what I was looking at.

You ask about the chemical signature of paint or primer yet do not understand that a) there are thousands of such products and b) most of them will not have a chemical signature as given by EDS/EDX spectra.

Your biggest problem is that you have exposed yourself in a very narrow and highly technical field. What gives you confidence that what you have been told is true as opposed to what I or others have said?

Jones' research is amateurish and his papers quite frankly garbage. I'm genuinely surprised that a Prof at any university can put their moniker to such shoddy work.
 
coming from an amateur ok..
But seriously whats the chemical compostion of the wtc paint primer.
Is there paint which is Bi layered.
Is there paint which is Explosive .

I would like to know becuase i dont want my house exploding from this paint
 
GodisEnergy said:
coming from an amateur ok..
But seriously whats the chemical compostion of the wtc paint primer.
Is there paint which is Bi layered.
Is there paint which is Explosive .

I would like to know becuase i dont want my house exploding from this paint
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Find out and let us know. It's your job to do so.
 
So are you now saying that thermite paint doesn't exist? If it doesn't exist then how could it have cut WTC steel beams etc?

Maybe you ought to do your own research rather than rely upon truther websites.

The simple fact of the matter is the thermite reaction generates molten Fe which is mainly where the heat for melting a material comes from. Therefore you need to produce a quantity of molten Fe that will then transfer it's heat to a material in order to melt it. Thermodynamics comes into play and therefore a volume of molten Fe will only melt a certain volume of steel. The problem with "thermite paint" is that the volume of molten Fe produced will in no way possible, be large enough to melt or cut through a beam that the paint is applied to.

It really is that simple. Thermite paint is laughable. It just cannot happen - the chemistry and physics are against it. To suggest it is absurd.

GiE - show me and JREF, using mathematics and chemical/thermodynamic equations how much thermite, using the thermite reaction as a guide, is required to fully melt 1 Kg of pure iron (Fe). - If one understands the thermite reaction, if one understands heat transfer, heat of fusion etc then it really is a very easy calculation to do. There is no magic or jiggery pokery.

If you can do this then you will show why paint (which is applied very thinly) cannot possibly produce the affect you are claiming.

Secondly you talk about paint and then talk about shaped charges. ??? I'm confused. Will you please make up your mind as to whether it was an explosive shaped charge that you are talking about or thermite.
 
No thermite paint was a theory of mine, im not really sure how it was used. Perhaps it was used as a shaped charge or some cutting device.
 
GodisEnergy said:
No thermite paint was a theory of mine, im not really sure how it was used. Perhaps it was used as a shaped charge or some cutting device.
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Thermite and shaped charges are not the same thing. But I'm fairly certain that's been put to you many times over now.
 
One of these days I'm going to get food poisoning from these truthers trying to shove half-baked theories down my throat, and I'm not going to be a happy camper.
 
GodisEnergy said:
No thermite paint was a theory of mine, im not really sure how it was used. Perhaps it was used as a shaped charge or some cutting device.
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These are shaped cutting charges being placed for a CD.
Note how they differ from a coat of paint ....

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Notice, too, that the column has been stripped of cladding and fireproofing and that it has had holes cut through to accommodate the parallel pairs of charges required to achieve the cutting and to pre-weaken the column so that the charges can do their work.

This is the reality of CD, GiE. It's a long, difficult and labour-intensive job. Secretly executing this kind of work in an occupied office building is a totally insane concept, and conjuring up some magical "thermite paint" to explain the collapse of massive buildings is just childish.
 
GodisEnergy said:
coming from an amateur ok..
But seriously whats the chemical compostion of the wtc paint primer.
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Can't give you an exact break-down, but it generally contains iron oxide and kaolin, an aluminosilicate mineral in which some of the aluminum is replaced by calcium or potassium.

Is there paint which is Bi layered.
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All you have to do is apply two coats. And, sometimes, when I have chipped paint on fishing boats, there is a layer of zink on the sides of the chips that were applied to galvanized steel. Would there be such in the WTC? Well, freakin' DUH!

Is there paint which is Explosive .
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No. Nor has idiot boy Jones ever found any such in the WTC dust.

He mentions its going "poof" when somebody hit it with a mini-torch. whoop.

I have seen the same thing happen when I have hit primed steel with a cutting torch. The primer is not fire proof, you know.
 
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GodisEnergy said:
No thermite paint was a theory of mine, im not really sure how it was used. Perhaps it was used as a shaped charge or some cutting device.
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You know there's this really interesting new phenomenon called the internet which is very handy for finding out information and answering questions. You might like to give it a try some time.

You see a shaped charge requires an explosive to be detonated. Now what have we learnt about explosives? Yes that's right they go bang. Infact the bang is a very loud noise. There would need to be lots and lots and lots of bangs and therefore lots of noise prior to the collapse. Just witness and controlled demolition using explosives to see the number of bangs that occur and how loud they are.

Now if shaped charges were used then why is thermite part of the shaped charge? Thermite will not do what you think it does.

Read this and learn about shaped charges. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaped_charge
 
leftysergeant said:
Can't give you an exact break-down, but it generally contains iron oxide and kaolin, an aluminosilicate mineral in which some of the aluminum is replaced by calcium or potassium.



All you have to do is apply two coats. And, sometimes, when I have chipped paint on fishing boats, there is a layer of zink on the sides of the chips that were applied to galvanized steel. Would there be such in the WTC? Well, freakin' DUH!



No. Nor has idiot boy Jones ever found any such in the WTC dust.

He mentions its going "poof" when somebody hit it with a mini-torch. whoop.

I have seen the same thing happen when I have hit primed steel with a cutting torch. The primer is not fire proof, you know.
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Actually several tests heating it in different manners has shown the stuff to be more explosive than c4.
But anyway can you explain to me why the paint would be made at a nanoscale of aluminium particles with iron oxide and pottasium permanganate.
Whats the grey side of the bi layered chips?

That would be interesting if the towers used paint primer that had the same chemical signature as thermite.Noone will show me the chemical signature because there too scared.
oh well maybe it was paint ,then we will finally understand why the towers blew up, and remove paint primers from all modern buildings using them
 
GodisEnergy said:
Actually several tests heating it in different manners has shown the stuff to be more explosive than c4.
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What? Where and when? Would you kindly bring something substantive to the table for once? Is it really that unreasonable to expect you to support an assertion like this, or are you just flailing your arms about like a Holy Spirit-infected Southern Baptist?
 
''Red oxide zinc chromate primer '' from mark roberts debunking jones claims wtc7lies website .Interesting.
The red chips showed no Zinc of Chromate.
 
GodisEnergy said:
''Red oxide zinc chromate primer '' from mark roberts debunking jones claims wtc7lies website .Interesting.
The red chips showed no Zinc of Chromate.
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Jones has the results of the test?
I thought Jones died from terminal stupidity on 911. Is he still around? He is the most personable 911Truth liar out there. He fools you with his kindness, as he lies right to your face. This may be the reason he is able to fool idiots with his kindness and they adopt his delusions and insane nut case ideas on 9/11. Beware, Jones is a liar on purpose or due to some mental disease or bias.
 
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