A Thermite/Thermate Question

[PhantomWolf]

More lies

You really expected him to actually bother finding out the truth before going with the Truther sites rubbish?

 

[Sunstealer]

yea i guess thats why they only tested 270 peices of steel from thousands ,and didnt even test it for thermite or other arson protocols that were meant to be carried out,according to law.

The investigation by the way was smaller than even the clinton bj scandal .

May I ask, how do you test for thermite?

 

[MikeW]

yea i guess thats why they only tested 270 peices of steel from thousands ,and didnt even test it for thermite or other arson protocols that were meant to be carried out,according to law.

Which law is that?

 

[JamesB]

They also did not test for dragonfire. How do we know the buildings were not destroyed by a lvl 60+ Giant Wyrm?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

May I ask, how do you test for thermite?

if the steel has iron in it that means thermite was used

 

[JamesB]

I once did a parody on SLC about how Steven Jones found large amounts of oxygen, a component of thermite, at ground zero, which was definitive proof of thermite.

Sadly, most everyone thought it was a real story.

 

[GodisEnergy]

you actually test for thermite the same way jones did ,they find iron ,oxygen,aluminium, spectra aluminotheric reaction

 

[Evilgiraffe]

you actually test for thermite the same way jones did ,they find iron ,oxygen,aluminium, spectra aluminotheric reaction

Then you have to show that these EDX spectra could only have come from the products of a thermite reaction. It is this step that Jones has utterly failed to do, and this makes him a laughing stock.

 

[Dave Rogers]

you actually test for thermite the same way jones did ,they find iron ,oxygen,aluminium, spectra aluminotheric reaction

From a building made of steel, clad with aluminium, and surrounded by oxygen, how could you fail to find all three?

And what do you imagine the words "aluminotheric reaction" mean? I'm having a hard time interpreting them to mean anything in this context.

Dave

 

[Sunstealer]

you actually test for thermite the same way jones did ,they find iron ,oxygen,aluminium, spectra aluminotheric reaction

Oh dear. You do understand that all of those elements were present before the collapse therefore finding them after the collapse proves......

I actually wanted a reply of some substance including methods but I guess that expecting more than a one line answer (of any substance) is asking too much.

Do you also understand that just because you find those elements that it does not give you the compounds that those elements are present in. The following are compounds containing all those elements. How can you prove that they are not present?

Fe(Fe_1-x Al_x)₂O₄, Fe_(2−x)Al_xO₃

Do you see why EDS/EDX spectra alone cannot give the full picture? You require either to run additional software with EDS/EDX in order to give compounds or you need to use alternative (and complimentary) techniques. Jones does neither and therefore cannot show anything. It's poor science that is not upto undergraduate level. Jones gets a D^-, must try harder.

The (general) thermite reaction converts Iron oxide to Iron and Aluminium to Alumina therefore one would expect to see pure Iron and Alumina in large quantities. This is not happening because we are seeing Iron oxides. Again it's blatantly obvious that you do not understand the technique of EDX/EDS and it's limitations. Would you be surprised to find Hydrogen and Oxygen in water? If not then why are you surprised to find Fe, O, Al in dust from a building containing Fe, O, Al?

 

[twinstead]

Then you have to show that these EDX spectra could only have come from the products of a thermite reaction.

It really does ALL boil down to this. The next step if anybody wants to take Jones seriously other than a few ideologically predisposed laymen (wink wink nod nod godisenergy) is to show exactly that.

 

[WildCat]

if the steel has iron in it that means thermite was used

I once did a parody on SLC about how Steven Jones found large amounts of oxygen, a component of thermite, at ground zero, which was definitive proof of thermite.

Sadly, most everyone thought it was a real story.

you actually test for thermite the same way jones did ,they find iron ,oxygen,aluminium, spectra aluminotheric reaction

 

[GodisEnergy]

ah because you will never find microspheres of iron coated with aluminium from cladding and sulphur from gypsum in any other fires .Neither will you find melted steel which has this signature on it too.

 

[PhantomWolf]

ah because you will never find microspheres of iron coated with aluminium from cladding and sulphur from gypsum in any other fires .Neither will you find melted steel which has this signature on it too.

How do you know?

 

[Sunstealer]

ah because you will never find microspheres of iron coated with aluminium from cladding and sulphur from gypsum in any other fires .Neither will you find melted steel which has this signature on it too.

What melted steel? You do understand that the collapse of the towers is a unique event and therefore you will get a unique signature in the dust.

I've already shown you that the burning of coal produces fly ash that contains iron rich microspheres.

The problem you have is that there is no evidence that any of the constituents came from thermite. Secondly there is zero evidence for the type of devices that would have been required to use thermite. Why do you ignore the lack of evidence? Do you do this on purpose? Are you blind? Why do you have such a strong belief that thermite was used when there is absolutely no evidence at all to back that hypothesis up? Why do you think that you and you alone can draw conclusions from poor data when experts and people with direct experience of these things are showing you exactly what is wrong with the data and your thinking?

You give me the impression of someone who simply screws up their nose in a confused look as they try to interpret what has been said to them then shrug your shoulders and merrily carries on, oblivious to the real world. You seem to have trouble with reality. No matter how hard you try the evidence shows that you are incorrect. Why can you not learn from this, accept that you were wrong and move on, a better person for it?

 

[GodisEnergy]

No i dont understand why you cannot see the evidence of unexploded thermite , its behaves like thermite its explosive and its found in the dust.Where else did the explosive come from.It explains the melted steel spheres found and everything else strange found.

Also the ends of steel beams were cut,they have been tested by jones for thermite too.

jones tested a concrete sample of wtc concrete didnt find fly ash with a magnet.I dont think fly ash would have either the same signature as thermite with copper and sulpur and magnesium.
But If we could reproduce this with a sample of portland cement then it would be 'debunked' .It shouldnt be to hard why doesnt 911debunking.com get their italian guy to do it .Get some spheres from oxycetelene torches,printers etc
and test them they will not have the same sig as thermite ,if they do ill admit im wrong and i wont beleive thermite was used.If not then well know who killed 3000 people ,its not to much to ask for is it?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Who knows why people don't see things that don't exist....

It's the lack of craziness that just keeps getting in the way of crackpot theories.

 

[A W Smith]

No i dont understand why you cannot see the evidence of unexploded thermite , its behaves like thermite its explosive and its found in the dust.Where else did the explosive come from.It explains the melted steel spheres found and everything else strange found.

Also the ends of steel beams were cut,they have been tested by jones for thermite too.

jones tested a concrete sample of wtc concrete didnt find fly ash with a magnet.I dont think fly ash would have either the same signature as thermite with copper and sulpur and magnesium.
But If we could reproduce this with a sample of portland cement then it would be 'debunked' .It shouldnt be to hard why doesnt 911debunking.com get their italian guy to do it .Get some spheres from oxycetelene torches,printers etc
and test them they will not have the same sig as thermite ,if they do ill admit im wrong and i wont beleive thermite was used.If not then well know who killed 3000 people ,its not to much to ask for is it?

jref member crazychainsaw already did that. and frank greening agrees, I linked to his posts for you a long time ago. but you never responded. You should read what is provided for you. it's not too much to ask for is it?

 

[finalmessenger]

You say thermite or thermate. I say whatever. I downloaded as many vids as I could find. Boom boom boom. Gone gone gone. Now those are some upside down horseshoes because the luck was all bad.

If you dig you may come up with something relevant. If you BS you will just shovel up BS. Debunkers dare you to bring facts when they can just as easily look it up themselves. So here are some facts I found for them. Need some more? I’m not the 911 Commission of a crime here. I’ll go look if you want me to.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/...stions-Regarding-Thermite-by-Robert-Moore.pdf

So who said thermite isn’t possible? And then there are the people who keep forgetting about the speed of collapse=freefall(?), which is an inescapable conclusion in this case because it was all recorded for our benefit. Absolutely, completely, utterly, totally impossible and ridiculous to boot.

 

[PhantomWolf]

And then there are the people who keep forgetting about the speed of collapse=freefall(?), which is an inescapable conclusion in this case because it was all recorded for our benefit. Absolutely, completely, utterly, totally impossible and ridiculous to boot.

Except that the collapses took about 16 and 18 seconds while freefall would have been 9 and 10 seconds. You think if I was driving 180km/h in a 100km/h zone that the cop would let me off the speeding ticket cause I was going "near the speed limit"?