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A Thermite/Thermate Question

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Can you get a Fe-O-K-Al-Si spectrum (with oxygen, O) and sphere production from burning office materials? A few examples please -- if you can do it
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I honestly doubt that there has been a lot of research into it. I can tell you that as a chemist, the two XED signitures are very different to the trained eye. For instance there is no Si peak in the thermite. The Fe peaks in the WTC sample are far lower indicating less Fe in the sample. The WTC has big K peaks which don't exist in the Thermite sample whereas the Thermite sample has Cu peaks while none appear in the WTC sample. The sulphur in the WTC is very little compared to the Thermite sample and the WTC sample compaints Na and Ni, niether of which appear in the Thermite sample. I'd also note that what seems to have been labeled as a Mg peak in the Thermite spectrum, is in a totally different place to that in the WTC one.

So what does it all mean. Well firstly that the two are quite obviously different materials. Chemists tend to look at differences in spectra to determine if things are the same, and these have lots of differences. The second thing it tells us is that the spheres contain all of the most common elements in the WTC, Iron, Aluminium, Silicon, Carbon, and Oxygen.

In the end it's like trying to tell people that a banana is a cat simply because they contain a similar chemical make-up while ignoring all the other differences.
 
well yea that is commercial thermite, different combinations of thermite have different qualitys ,speed of reaction can be altered by inserting various metals such as K,S,SI,Mn,Ba.

As to the difference in Fe , i think its due to different spheres.Some being aluminium oxide and others iron .Al203 is a byproduct of thermite,but most of it was released as white dust
 
GodisEnergy said:
well yea that is commercial thermite, different combinations of thermite have different qualitys ,speed of reaction can be altered by inserting various metals such as K,S,SI,Mn,Ba.

As to the difference in Fe , i think its due to different spheres.Some being aluminium oxide and others iron .Al203 is a byproduct of thermite,but most of it was released as white dust
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Jones made up the thermite crazy claim without evidence. Does this mean you are trying to support the Jones fantasy?

Why did Jones make this up 4 years after 9/11 and what has happen to Jones?

Where is your evidence? Did Jones use radio controlled fuses? How does that work in the WTC?

Which thermite reaction did Jones use for his MIB pre planted WTC fantasy? Why?

Fe2O3+2Al-------2Fe+Al2O3+heat


3Fe3O4+8Al-------9Fe+4Al2O3+heat
 
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Heres another microshpere this one is identical to the thermite.Copper oxide ,pottasium permanganate ,barium oxide ,sulphur can all be used as additives in thermite.

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Secondly its not dust in general which is being anaylzed but microspheres so while aluminium cladding carbon etc are common in the wtc dust ,here you have combinations of unreacted and reacted thermite forming spheres thus the al ,si,o,fe



Here we have sample taken from a previously molten iron rubble
note the same signature
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GodisEnergy said:
Heres another microshpere this one is identical to the thermite.Copper oxide ,pottasium permanganate ,barium oxide ,sulphur can all be used as additives in thermite.
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I suggest you take anouther look, you seem to have a serious deficiency in the O peak.

By the way, can you show that Copper oxide, pottasium permanganate, barium oxide, and sulphur actually can all be used as additives in thermite without referencing a Truther site? And yes that includes Jones' claims.
 
GodisEnergy said:
Heres another microshpere this one is identical to the thermite.Copper oxide ,pottasium permanganate ,barium oxide ,sulphur can all be used as additives in thermite.

tsgmicrothermate.jpg


Secondly its not dust in general which is being anaylzed but microspheres so while aluminium cladding carbon etc are common in the wtc dust ,here you have combinations of unreacted and reacted thermite forming spheres thus the al ,si,o,fe



Here we have sample taken from a previously molten iron rubble
note the same signature
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Jones is a pure nut case on this thermite stuff. Why is he so stupid on this subject? Is he still alive? Why did Jones make up this thermite lie?

It is funny; you post this smoking gun stuff, but there is no smoking gun, there was no thermite products found at the WTC complex. Why is that? Why are no news agencies getting a Pulitzer Prize with all this garbage you post?

Why do you add the other elements? Does it get hotter, can you prove it, or have you been taken again? You are not a chemist, are you?

GodisEnergy said:
well yea that is commercial thermite, different combinations of thermite have different qualitys ,speed of reaction can be altered by inserting various metals such as K,S,SI,Mn,Ba.
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Which formula was used on 9/11, I mean which formula is in Jones' fantasy of 9/11? How can Jones make up a big lie with no evidence? Do you know why and how he can make up a lie about 9/11 without evidence?

If Jones has a smoking gun he would know the exact formula since he claims to have the smoking gun. Why has Jones failed to make this public? Why are you posting this tripe again, it was proven wrong 7 years ago?
 
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why dont you read my posts before repeating your trash on this topic which we are trying to talk about scientifically with your fantasy of mainstream media like pulizter prizes and washington post, new york times covering any relevent news.
Hey if this thermite thing has been debunked why cant i find the debunking?
 
GodisEnergy said:
http://amazingrust.com/Experiments/how_to/Thermite_pics-videos.html
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You do realise that those are thermites made using other oxides rather than using a Ferrite Oxide, not thermite with something else added. I'm wanting evidence of thermites having Copper oxide, pottasium permanganate, or barium oxide added to them. I'd also point out that even that page didn't use a pottasium permanganate, or barium oxide thermite so you haven't answered my question of providing evidence that thermites have them added into them.
 
Yes i understand what i gave you,thats why there metal oxides, copper oxides etc.You can mix different thermite mixtures together.

be warned this document is 18mbs i edited out some boring bits
http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cov...EDF7021AB1130E?purl=/1344-QDsu9M/webviewable/

"2.5.2. I The Thermite Cutting Technique
The thermite cutting process consists of heating and melting the metal in the cutting area by the
thermal energy released during combustion of a therrnite mixture (under conditions of an exother- ,
tic reaction). The products generated by combustion of the thennite mixture issue from the combustion
chamber under pressure in the form of a mixture of condensed gases, which affords the
opportunity of cutting almost any metal in any attitude. The application of this cutting technique to
nonmetallic materials also seems feasible, especially the dismantling of the reinforced concrete
structural elements. However, no domestic experience has been acquired to date using thermite
cutting in nuclear power engineering.
Research to substantiate the preliminary design and technological solutions of cutting metalwork
with the therrnite cutting technique have made it possible to identi~ the following conditions for
cutting plate-type materials and piping:


the products resulting from the combustion of a thermite compound must be generated in the
form of a directed jet and must possess a large store of heat and kinetic energy
the combustion products must ensure a high level of convective heat exchange during the
demolition of metalwork
during the combustion of a pyrotechnic compound, a maximum number of condensed liquid
products with a high heat capacity must be formed
the number of gaseous products formed must be nlinirnal, but sufficient for transporting the
condensed phase to the obstacle.



As a result of the experimental work performed, the following conclusions were reached:

Two conceptually diverse compounds were evaluated in the research studies: slightly gassy mixtures
based on a iron-aluminium thermite with the addition of potassium perchIorate and strontium
nitrate (compound “A” mixtures), and gassy mixtures based on an aluminum-magnesium alloy with
an oxidizer using Polytetrafluoroethylene as its base (compound “B” mixtures).


Almost any metal or nonmetallic material can be subjected to thermite cutting.
The thermite cutting process can be petiornied in different attitudes (i.e., without manipulating
the articles being cut).
The thermite cutting technique makes it possible to cut tube bundles when access is only
possible from one direction.
The therrnite cutting technique ensures autonomous work petiormance under conditions of high
radioactivity away ilom electric power, fiel gas, and oxygen supply sources (in the presence of
high ionizing radiation dose rate levels).
The thermite cutting technique is characterized by maneuverability and the small dimensions of
its devices, which allows use of the technique in hard-to-reach locations.
The pyrotechnic cutting torch can be used with automatic and remote-control systems"
 
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A W Smith said:
As pointed out by Shyam Sunder during the NIST building seven briefing, Once thermite begins to erode the steel in a vertical column. There is no more physical contact between the thermite and the steel to continue the reaction to cut the column. Its like throwing sand against a wall and expecting it to stick. Your thermite fantasy cannot happen in this physical universe until you get gravity to work sideways.
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How can "Thermite hand grenades" be used as incendiary devices then?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite#Military_uses

Please do not insult my intelligence!
 
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