A question for old earth believers

So, when are we taking bets on whether jesus_freak will come back to this thread and acknowledge that he was wrong, or not...?
 
Tony said:
I've noticed that a lot of christians turn to violence when they can't defend their views.
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Good grief...:rolleyes:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2692195&postcount=52


I've made it clear that I was not referring to myself already. I don't resort to violence simply because someone is being rude or insulting. I just try to get away from them as quick as I can before it does turn violent due to them initiating violent physical contact. As I've said already, I doubt Athon would repeatedly call me a "coward" to my face in person and EVEN IF he did I definitively would not respond to him in any way. I would simply try my best to cut whatever conversation we were having short and get away from him because he would be clearly unstable.





P.S. In the United States I would be justified in punching him under the 'fighting words' doctrine if he were in my face repeatedly calling me 'cowardly and pathetic'.




Even though justified I STILL wouldn't do it mind you. I'm not a violent person.
 
Mark A. Siefert said:
How is God, a being who is supposed to be supernatural, creating "the laws of physics and chemistry put into place during the creation" NOT an example of "supernatural intervention?"
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It is the "Non-interventionist God" model. Apparently, God somehow lit the blue touch-paper and stood well clear, and bang!, the universe and all its workings were created. Since then, he has stood by and just let it happen according to his laws, not interfering in any way at all.

Except for that Noah thing, of course.

Oh, and the walls of Jericho.

And Jebus.

Saul/Paul, however, was not part of the plan. But the voting selection for the contents of the Bible was.



Oh yeah! I forgot all the saintly miracles. And Lourdes. And Jebus' face on burnt toast and train underpasses, and all that stuff.
 
thomps1d said:
2) Young earth creationists whose arguments go something like this: "D00d!11!!11eleventyone!! The moon recedes from the earth at a rate of 3 centimeters per year which, if I do my math right, means that in an old universe the moon should have receded by eleventy billion miles! Obviously, those fools with their 'science' and 'book-learning' don't know anything!"
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:)
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
P.S. In the United States I would be justified in punching him under the 'fighting words' doctrine if he were in my face repeatedly calling me 'cowardly and pathetic'.
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Where do I start?

I've read your and Athon's exchanges and he was calling you a coward insofar as you are unwilling to answer direct, en pointe questions regarding your earlier posts. Yes, I agree fully with him. In this and other threads, you like to drop verbal bombs and refuse to own up to them or be responsible for them. In my book, that is intellectual cowardice so I agree with Athon. And, your style is pathetic. Your posts are getting fewer and farther in between as the idiocy of the OP is further exposed.

Now, let's get to your legal scholarship, shall we? You completely misunderstand the Fighting Words Doctrine but that does not surprise me. The Doctrine is a common sense limitation of the First Amendment to preserve the peace and the general safety of government officials from individuals setting them up for potential harm through invective. As you are not the Federal Government, it has nothing (squat) to do with you.

If you hit anyone for calling you a name that upsets you, you could be arrested and tried under the criminal code for battery, at the very least. Under the civil code, you could be sued under many different legal theories and my guess is that you would lose a large fraction of whatever property you have.

Practically, though, having taken the measure of both you and Athon by the tone, tenor and content of the posts on this thread, my money would be on Athon. Your best hope would be divine intervention. Best of luck.

So, let's get back to it. What did you mean by "weasel"?
 
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Simple math here.

3.8 cm/year = 0.038m/year
therefore, over 1 billion years, about 38,000,000 m = 38,000 km
The diameter of the Moon's orbit is about 380,000 km, so the radius is 190,000 km
Roche's limit is 9,500 km, call it an even 10,000 for fudge factor and you have 180,000 km as the most the Moon's orbit can shrink and the Moon still remain a Moon instead of a ring of rubble
I get 4.7 billion years.

Next.
 
First off sorry for this post. I am not the sharpest tool in the shed.
I had to read the entire first page before I figured out what the point of the OP was.
So there are really people out there that really no joke for real believe the earth is only around 6000 years old?
Wowsers! Learn something new everyday!
What's next? People who still believe the earth is flat.
 
UnrepentantSinner said:
I'm not sure what's more disconcerting. Reading their posts to open debate forums or when they chat amongst themselves.
http://www.christianforums.com/f425-creationism.html
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Wow! That made my head hurt just reading a little of that stuff from your link.
There must be lots of people that believe that.
As I stated before I am not that sharp and now apparently I live under a rock as well. I have never heard of this before. I thought the approximate age of the earth was established and recorded as fact long ago.
I'm not even gonna ask about the dinosaurs.
 
Brattus said:
Wow! That made my head hurt just reading a little of that stuff from your link.
There must be lots of people that believe that.
As I stated before I am not that sharp and now apparently I live under a rock as well. I have never heard of this before. I thought the approximate age of the earth was established and recorded as fact long ago.
I'm not even gonna ask about the dinosaurs.
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Unfortunately I've been delving into the Cvs.E debate for so long I can do a dead on YEC imitation. And yeah, there are a lot of people who believe that stuff, and not all of them are crazy, even if they sometimes sound like it.

The age of the Earth has been pretty much known at around 4.5 billion years since the 1950s with a little bit of tweeking now and then. The mental gymnastics and willful ignorance that YECs have to go through in order to believe the Earth (and Universe as a whole) is 6,000 years old seems madness to rational people.

And they all believe in dinosaurs. They just believe they lived contemporaneously with humans, were described in the book of Job, and died mostly during the flood then went extinct shortly after it. Though some believe they're still around today and others say they lived until the middle ages and were called "dragons."
 
Schneibster said:
3.8 cm/year = 0.038m/year
therefore, over 1 billion years, about 38,000,000 m = 38,000 km
The diameter of the Moon's orbit is about 380,000 km, so the radius is 190,000 km
Roche's limit is 9,500 km, call it an even 10,000 for fudge factor and you have 180,000 km as the most the Moon's orbit can shrink and the Moon still remain a Moon instead of a ring of rubble
I get 4.7 billion years.
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You skeptics and your so-called "arithmetic"!
 
Zep said:
It is the "Non-interventionist God" model. Apparently, God somehow lit the blue touch-paper and stood well clear, and bang!, the universe and all its workings were created. Since then, he has stood by and just let it happen according to his laws, not interfering in any way at all.
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And the scientific, peer reviewed and tested evidence for a "non-interventionist God" (or a interventionist one for that matter) is...?
 
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