A Perpetuum Mobile Machina is possible...

[bjb]

¡Qué sería del mundo sin los soñadores! = What would be of the world without the dreamers!

Imagination is more important than knowledge.

Albert Einstein

Yeah, Einstien was wrong about a lot of important things, like quantum mechanics. Because of his 'beliefs', almost all of his later work in physics is useless.

A rotor can be 'electrified' depending upon the type of generator. A PM generator can have a rotor with permament magnets, so no electric current is sent through the rotor. Even so, the rotor a PM machine will have eddy current and hysteresis losses that affect its efficiency.

The best efficiency number I've seen claimed is 98% for the SEMA motor. This 98% does not include bearing losses, controller losses, etc. I have to add that I have some experience with Lynx Motion and their SEMA motor. In fact, I took two of the pictures on that page, just above the caption that says "SEMA motor in testing". After a great deal of research into many high-efficiency motor companies, I wrote the motor spec, statement of work, test plan, etc. for that project. I also ran the tests, which included operation from a high-power, high-voltage battery system. The SEMA had the highest theoretical efficiency I could find but it certainly is not 100% electrically efficient.

 

[Freethinker]

Somebody could respond to me: if the rotor (or turbine) of a generator is electrified?

You ask that question, yet claim that you are able to calculate the efficiency of your machine? You don't even know how a generator works, yet you expect to do what the folks at Livermore can't.

 

[Cuddles]

Imagination is more important than knowledge.

If you're trying to make some kind of generator I would suggest that knowledge of how these things work is a lot more important than imagining you've built one.

 

[gnome]

Imagination may be more important than knowledge, but it doesn't mean it can substitute for it.

 

[Lynx2174]

Imagination is more important than knowledge.

Not in electronics it isn't, I can tell you that. It's certainly nice to have both, because then you can find new ways to do things, but if you don't have imagination, you can still design electronics, they'll just be quite like what came before. If you don't have electronics skill, you're just wasting your time.

 

[Grimoire]

Imagination is more important than knowledge.

Assuming that the statement is even correct for this case, it certainly does not mean that knowledge is not important. Water is more important than food, since I will die of thirst before I die of starvation. That doesn't mean I can live only on water...

Knowledge is incredibly important. Having a ton of imagination is not a replacement for a complete lack of knowledge.

 

[shazuga]

I made the question, because YOU mentioned that batteries do not exist that can be recharged eternally.
If the problem is the battery, we can replace them.

Even so, if the batteries worked only a year, it would already be sufficient. After that time we would replace them.

This machine if it is possible to be stopped for maintenance.

In addition if the turbine (rotor) of the generator is electrified, that energy could be sufficient to excite the electromagnets of the movable or levitate section of my machine.

 

[Grimoire]

I made the question, because YOU mentioned that batteries do not exist that can be recharged eternally.
If the problem is the battery, we can replace them.

Even so, if the batteries worked only a year, it would already be sufficient. After that time we would replace them.

This machine if it is possible to be stopped for maintenance.

In addition if the turbine (rotor) of the generator is electrified, that energy could be sufficient to excite the electromagnets of the movable or levitate section of my machine.

It doesn't matter if the energy is stored in batteries, or used immediately. That is totally irrelevant to the claim that the generator creates more energy than is required to run it.

People have pointed out that adding a load to the generator will slow it down. Even if you have frictionless bearings (or maglev), the generator will come to a screetching halt as soon as you hook the output wires up to anything.

Please explain to us how your design will generate more power than it will take to run it.

 

[Dr. Imago]

I made the question, because YOU mentioned that batteries do not exist that can be recharged eternally.
If the problem is the battery, we can replace them.

Even so, if the batteries worked only a year, it would already be sufficient. After that time we would replace them.

This machine if it is possible to be stopped for maintenance.

In addition if the turbine (rotor) of the generator is electrified, that energy could be sufficient to excite the electromagnets of the movable or levitate section of my machine.

Okay, then BUILD IT, man! BUILD IT!

-Dr. Imago

 

[Grimoire]

Okay, then BUILD IT, man! BUILD IT!

-Dr. Imago

He needs capital. You'd think that would be easy, given that the device will essentially allow the owner(s) to become the wealthiest individuals on the planet in a very short time.

 

[hgc]

He needs capital. You'd think that would be easy, given that the device will essentially allow the owner(s) to become the wealthiest individuals on the planet in a very short time.

This could be tricky. Afterall, doesn't the U.S. Patent Office not even take submissions for Perpetuum Mobile Machinas? He's gonna need some legal assistance before he can ever capatalize exclusively. As a matter of fact, he may have said too much in this thread already.

The race is on!

 

[Grimoire]

This could be tricky. Afterall, doesn't the U.S. Patent Office not even take submissions for Perpetuum Mobile Machinas? He's gonna need some legal assistance before he can ever capatalize exclusively. As a matter of fact, he may have said too much in this thread already.

The race is on!

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If he has a working model, they will accept it. Besides, a carefully worded application will be accepted if it does not mention that it is an over unity device.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...50&s1=6362718.PN.&OS=PN/6362718&RS=PN/6362718

 

[hgc]

a carefully worded application

shazuga, you're sunk.

 

[bruto]

Like Wollery, I'm really interested in that lossless arc. Find a way to pull the plug and keep on welding, and you're a rich man whether or not your generator spins!

 

[wollery]

I made the question, because YOU mentioned that batteries do not exist that can be recharged eternally.
If the problem is the battery, we can replace them.

Even so, if the batteries worked only a year, it would already be sufficient. After that time we would replace them.

This machine if it is possible to be stopped for maintenance.

In addition if the turbine (rotor) of the generator is electrified, that energy could be sufficient to excite the electromagnets of the movable or levitate section of my machine.

And once again you have an induced field which produces a counter field, adding resistance to the generator's motion. There's just no way to get round that 2nd law!

 

[Ririon]

...
The race is on!
...

Sssshh!

Don't let him know that a couple of us forum members are already building it based on his brilliant ideas.

Oops..

 

[Captain Trips]

I made the question, because YOU mentioned that batteries do not exist that can be recharged eternally.
If the problem is the battery, we can replace them.

Right there, you no longer have anything even approaching "perpetual motion." The phrase "perpetual motion" means "not needing any additional input." You are now saying that you will change the batteries. Even though they may be without charge when you insert them, you are still replacing something into the system -- in this case, potential chemical energy. You can only call it "perpetual motion" if the system keeps running at the same output level without any additional input. Therefore, you can NOT replace the batteries and maintain "perpetual motion" -- what happens to the device when there is no one around to change the batteries? It stops. The motion is no longer perpetual.

Sorry, the "we'll change the batteries" solution is actually admitting a failure. All you are describing is "highly efficient motion" and not actually "perpetual."

 

[hgc]

Right there, you no longer have anything even approaching "perpetual motion." The phrase "perpetual motion" means "not needing any additional input." You are now saying that you will change the batteries. Even though they may be without charge when you insert them, you are still replacing something into the system -- in this case, potential chemical energy. You can only call it "perpetual motion" if the system keeps running at the same output level without any additional input. Therefore, you can NOT replace the batteries and maintain "perpetual motion" -- what happens to the device when there is no one around to change the batteries? It stops. The motion is no longer perpetual.

Sorry, the "we'll change the batteries" solution is actually admitting a failure. All you are describing is "highly efficient motion" and not actually "perpetual."

Oops. Like, batteries aren't free, man. It takes not insignificant energy to produce them. Everywhere you turn, friction and entropy.

 

[shazuga]

Ok, Ok.. Perhaps has been an error to call it Perpetual Motion Machine, in fact I prefer the name that I have given him, ElectroMagnetic Levitation and Turbine Propulsion or EMLP Turbine...

But I believe that this machine would be a Perpetual Motion Machine of Third Class...

 

[Dr. Imago]

But I believe that this machine would be a Perpetual Motion Machine of Third Class...

Can you build a perpetual motion machine or not? It doesn't appear, by your statements, that you actually can. So, you have to stop calling it, and should cease referring to it in anyway as, a PMM.

If you think I'm wrong, then build it, man! Build it!!

-Dr. Imago