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A Past Experience I Want To Get Over

I'm going to go even farther and say that I believe you are trolling. I don't know for what purpose. Perhaps it is personal attention, perhaps you are trying to open people's eyes to weird psychic demon experiences, but either way, it's annoying.

Your previous threads are personal accounts of coincidences and psychic experiences, and people have responded that you should probably get counseling. I don't know why you need yet another thread full of people to tell you the same.
 
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Thanks to all who have responded in this thread...reading the responses has definitely given me some food for thought, especially about saying 'damning' phrases.

Oh, and I understand how "SoBitter" got his name.
 
I'm going to go even farther and say that I believe you are trolling. I don't know for what purpose.

It doesn't matter anyway, because this is not a rare problem. I went through something very similar myself. There are a lot of ex-religious skeptics and although not everyone is wracked with guilt, I think this thread could be useful to more than just the person who started it :)
 
JP1283: from what I've read, it doesn't sound like you actually got treatment for your OCD. You say you "got over it" by reading up on it, but you don't mention actually consulting a professional about it. I'm guessing the OCD is now resurgent.

I'm not a doctor, either, but I feel like I went through a similar experience with "OCD" (assuming that's what I have, I never saw a doctor about it, either). It got really bad during my teenage years, what with me burning out light bulbs by flipping the switch a certain number of times (29 or 99 being two "good" numbers) before leaving or entering a room. I never got treatment. By the time I was an upperclassman in high school, I had mostly suppressed the actions, but the thoughts were still there, knowing what I "should" do. Lately, though, the actions are coming back, and I manage to keep them at a low level. I can prove to myself that I'm being ridiculous, but the fear/discomfort remains. As long as I'm busy, I'm fine.

If you're not going to see a doctor, my suggestion is to find something to occupy you instead of your fears.
 
So while God is in you, you carry the terrible burden of having said the Christian equivalent of "Candyman" and you're torn up with fear and regret.


I like tkingdoll's analogy. :)

I don't think JP1283 is trolling. I had a fair amount of religious indoctrination as a child and (not suprisingly) when I was 11, I was hit with a massive case of religious OCD. And it was absolutely terrifying. I'll also go so far as to say that unless you've experienced something like this, it's very difficult to fully grok the mental trauma it produces, especially to an immature and uncritical intellect. It's like a malignant cognitive hurricane that repeatedly tears through your psyche leaving crushing anxiety and depression in its wake. Standard OCD is a nightmare; religious OCD is hell incarnate. Here's one reason: this insidious variant of OCD typically strikes the devout as opposed to the non-religious. This means you'll most likely be surrounded by other religious folk who will have no clue what OCD is (since mental distubances are the work of the Evil One). Assuming you overcome your shame and attempt to confide in someone, they will repeatedly tell you to simply pray harder. Worse, they may confirm your fears that yes, you have offended their deity-of-choice and, so sorry, you just lost your harp and halo. As an added bonus, your mental agony will reinforce the belief that the deity is indeed punishing you for your trangression.

My parents were completely broadsided by this and had no clue what was wrong as I became progressively unhinged. I didn't get the, "It's Satan! He needs an exorcism!" treatment, but then again, I didn't get any treatment whatsoever: no therapy, no antidepressants (this was long before Paxil and Zoloft), and no formal CBT (Cognitive Behavorial therapy). I don't believe in miracles but the fact that I didn't jump off a bridge or step in front of a bus is pretty close to one. To be fair, I also don't envy my parents: here they have a child on a constant crying jag, can't tell them or anyone else what's wrong, and they either don't know what to do or, worse, can't face the social stigma and embarrasment of having to admit that one of their children has a mental problem.

I finally had to do something drastic to end my pain:

I simply accepted the fact that I was hellbound. After all, if an omnipotent (not omnibenevolent, obviously) god has earmarked you for eternal damnation, what else can you do?

It was the best thing (only thing, really) I could have done. I had been suffering for eight months. The anxiety slowly began to dissipate, followed by the depression. Within a month my mental state had almost completely normalized. I was also no longer subject as much to religious blather and dogma, which may have been the impetus for my (years) later nontheism and intense desire for critical thinking. I had definitely come through the fire (hellfire, if you will) and had emerged a stronger individual.

For the record, I had one more episode of (non-religious OCD) when I was a teen and I was able to smother it within a week. I've had no fully-blown incidents since mainly because I am extremely sensitive to irrational, anxiety-generating thoughts that arise unbidden. These thoughts are immediately identified for what they are and allowed to pass through without any mental resistance.

Nevertheless, JP1283, I would suggest (as others have) that you see a mental health professional. It's not that you can't deal with this problem on your own, it's that you don't have to. Keep in mind that I may have been an oddity regarding how I overcame this; I've read of other religious OCD sufferers who weren't as lucky.

Good luck,
AL
 
I'm not denying that someone could get something out of the post, I just feel that this person's posts are misplaced for the kind of forum this is, and are also repetitive. He's actually posted this same account as another thread as well.

If I had religious based fears I wouldn't go to a skeptic's forum, and if I had psychological problems I wouldn't go to a forum full of people untrained in mental health.

I'm really not trying to start anything though. If everyone else is ok with it I have the ignore option.
 
and if I had psychological problems I wouldn't go to a forum full of people untrained in mental health.


In order for that to make sense, you would have to know your problems were psychological. JP didn't. He probably still doesn't believe it.
 
What you felt was just the wieght of the religious crap being lifted from you. With that gone you are free to focus on the real problems. I suggest you seek professional help for you OCD, as others have already done.D
Uh ya right. gayak you don't know what you are talking about. Spiritual experiences are real but they aren't enough to validate anything because they can't be seen. I myself have had a spritual experience and can honestly tell you God is there and he does make us choose him over what the world dictates. We all need Jesus as our personal Lord and savior.

Either that or you really are destined to spend the rest of eternity in the flaming pits of hell. :p

ETA: Don't worry about this last bit. If this is the case, all the rest of us atheists will be there along with you nad we can have a few laughs about it! I'll bring the beer! :D
Wrong again. Hell won't be a party gayak it will be an seperation from you and God forever.

The point I want to make is God is a God of second and third chances while we are still alive and breathing. We all have a choice to repent and live through Christ. If we deny him we will regret it for eternity! God's grace and mercy is still there for the asking!
 
Uh ya right. gayak you don't know what you are talking about. Spiritual experiences are real but they aren't enough to validate anything because they can't be seen. I myself have had a spritual experience and can honestly tell you God is there and he does make us choose him over what the world dictates...


Many of us have had spiritual experiences.

You concede that they aren't enough to validate anything, then you build your whole belief system on them? This is what I don't understand. Just how do you rule out that this experience was entirely in your own mind?
 
Well, maybe it's just me, but if I'm going to structure my life around a belief system, I'd want to make sure that the foundation has some substance to it.

Actually, it probably is just me, never mind... ;)
 
The point I want to make is God is a God of second and third chances while we are still alive and breathing. We all have a choice to repent and live through Christ. If we deny him we will regret it for eternity!


Infinite chances during a finite period of time and zero chances during an infinite period of time. You'll pardon me, but I don't care to worship a god who forces compliance with those rules.
 
God just informed me a derail was coming. Oh, and this post will end up at about 8 pages.

So, to help this thread continue its spiritual journey, I ask KK - what should this poor chap do? Pray harder?
 
You can approach this in several different ways. I like many of the other suggestions in this thread. You can also approach it from a religious standpoint. Nowhere in the Bible does it mention that as an unforgivable sin. As far as I know, the only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the holy spirit. Don't take my word for it -- find out for yourself.

While your at it, you might study to origin of Satan. While Satan is mentioned in the Bible, the current understanding or explanation of fundamentalists is not consistent with the intent of the author. For instance, the earliest reference to "Lucifer" clearly means "the Morning Star", also known as the planet Venus. It has nothing to do with the Lord of Darkness.

Prior to the Babylonian captivity, it would have been considered blasphemy to even suggest a being such as Satan. That myth was borrowed from the Persians (Cyrus the Great, an early messiah, was a Persian king). The story of the fall of the angels is not in the Bible. I assure you, Moses did not believe in Satan or hell as we know it (he believed in Sheol -- very similar to the Greek Hades). According to the Bible, Moses was pretty tight with God.

But more importantly, take care of your OCD behavior.
 
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