Merged 9/11 No Plane/Energy Weapon discussion thread

[NoahFence]

At first there was the "Gish Gallop", where pseudoscience advocates jumped from one claim to another thereby performing argumentum ad ridiculum excessus. Which they did without regard to each and every previous point getting quashed, which is what distinguished the Gallop from normal debate (i.e. no acknowledgement of defeated arguments). But what do we call this? This oddity is characterized by the utter denial of a piece of evidence as well as its implications, then a sudden acceptance of the existence of that piece of evidence, but with an utterly unrealistic, completely evidence-void explanation for it. "Moving the goalposts" is an insufficient term to describe the absolute, ludicrous idiocy that's implicit in such a move, plus doesn't get across the insanity of sudden adoption for subversion of the rebuttal's point.

This deserves some kind of name.

Part of me says name it after her, but the other
part knows damn well that sort of attention I'd the only reason she's here.

 

[MIKILLINI]

I am finding it increasingly hard to believe that you have a PhD.

I'm thinking it may have been a correspondence course that someone else had done for her.

 

[LSSBB]

I'm thinking it may have been a correspondence course that someone else had done for her.

I was thinking it might actually be a PhD in marketing and changed my mind based on lack of evidence of any campaign effectiveness.

 

[fess]

Excuse me for being somewhat dim, but I find it extremely hard to believe that Dusty has achieved a Doctorate in anything at all. Oh, I know she didn’t have to study physics, engineering, or other related fields, but I would expect that anyone holding a Doctorate would have some intelligence. All one has to do is read her posts to realize that she has been weighed, measured, and found wanting.

 

[Animal]

I am finding it increasingly hard to believe that you have a PhD.

PhDs are not what they used to be. Pretty much anyone willing to spend the $$$ can get one.

 

[beachnut]

Video and still images do not depict an impact between any large object and the south wall of WTC 2 at 9:03AM. You might say that the planes were shredded inside the building, once they pierced through the exterior steel beams, but you are wrong and not on topic. The impact was said to have taken place at the exterior of the building, and yet no clear evidence of this impact is found at the exterior of the building, ...

No clear evidence of an aircraft impact, just an exact size of a 767 hole and aircraft parts scattered all over NYC.

 

[fess]

The B-25 bomber that hit the steel and masonary clad ESB penetrated, in fact aircraft debris (including an engine) shot right through the other side... Fancy that!

Not to mention that there was a very large difference in speed and mass between a B-25 and a B767. That’s why the crew of the B-25 got out and took the elevator down.

 

[WildCat]

Not to mention that there was a very large difference in speed and mass between a B-25 and a B767. That’s why the crew of the B-25 got out and took the elevator down.

And the cracked windshield on the airplane was replaced and it was put back into service the very next day.

 

[Mudcat]

The B-25 bomber that hit the steel and masonary clad ESB penetrated, in fact aircraft debris (including an engine) shot right through the other side... Fancy that!

Not to mention that there was a very large difference in speed and mass between a B-25 and a B767. That’s why the crew of the B-25 got out and took the elevator down.

And the cracked windshield on the airplane was replaced and it was put back into service the very next day.

I thought this story sounded familiar, and it was. The Myth Busters tested part of this on 'The Elevator of Death', but it's amazing just how much of reality truthers put on ignore.

 

[Dash80]

Not to mention that there was a very large difference in speed and mass between a B-25 and a B767. That’s why the crew of the B-25 got out and took the elevator down.

Hahahaha.

To be fair to Dusty she did admit she was wrong about the crew.

On the other hand she's bonkers enough to believe something like that in the first place.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Listen carefully: Conservation of momentum disproves the hijack conspiracy.

But only if you neglect conservation of momentum.

Dave

 

[Oystein]

PhDs are not what they used to be. Pretty much anyone willing to spend the $$$ can get one.

I guess it's depends on academic field and other criteria (country, university perhaps...). During the last year, I helped a friend, a dentist, with her PhD thesis which currently under review by her doctoral advisor. I can tell you that this medical doctor is and will never be able to do any serious scientific research, form a theory, test it, and present it to academic peers. But that has a lot to do with how PhDs are awarded in medicine in Germany. Every physician is practically required to get one (we don't call them "doctors" for nothing, do we?), so mostly what they do is collect data on something from some cohort of patients (rarely randomized, rarely normalized, rarely double-blind or even blind), they run the data set through some standard statistics program, then they take someone else's thesis on a similar topic, and basically echange titles, tables and graphs.

My friend has an impressively long references section. I doubt she has had even 20% of these papers and books in her actual hands, let alone read and understood them.

Don't know how it is in Dusty's field, but it is very apparent that she lacks all the instincts, the methodological rigour and of course awareness of her own limitations that separate good from bad researchers.


Of course I am not claiming that she is a researcher to begin with. She is really an artist.

 

[nvidiot]

I'm hoping that this will turn out to be an exceptionally well done piece of Poe performance art.

I'm cynical enough to realise this is almost certainly not the case.

 

[dafydd]

PhDs are not what they used to be. Pretty much anyone willing to spend the $$$ can get one.

Obviously.

 

[dafydd]

Excuse me for being somewhat dim, but I find it extremely hard to believe that Dusty has achieved a Doctorate in anything at all.

I concur.

 

[grandmastershek]

Could be, but I still see a curl as a unique sort of damage,

Bent metal is unique?

 

[rambaldi]

Dr. Wood doesn't mention space beams. The smell was the same in 2009 as it was in 2001.

1. Whatever, it's clear to anyone but you that JW is basically using a scientific sounding variant of "Awizarddidit"

2. Back to the topic, how exactly does the smell relate in any sane way to YOUR "advanced weaponry"

 

[rambaldi]

I was thinking it might actually be a PhD in marketing and changed my mind based on lack of evidence of any campaign effectiveness.

Unless her true campaign is "make Troofers look even more clueless than they are".

Obviously such a campaign at JREF is rather unneeded, but if she managed to sell the idea to someone...

 

[The Big Dog]

Bent metal is unique?

Bent and "curled" metal in a round metal sculpture sitting on a "curled" base and referred to as "The Sphere."

Dusty really knocked this one out of the park.

 

[HawksFan]

I believe I may have a permanent bruise on my forehead from all the facepalming and head-into-desk banging while reading Dusty's posts.