Merged 9/11 No Plane/Energy Weapon discussion thread

[BStrong]

Here's the true narrative.

Some muslim hard ons cooked up a fairly simple plan - smuggle edged weapons onto commercial flights, kill or seriously wound some aircrew and passengers, cowing the remainder.

After they accomplished that, the plan was to hit selected targets, using the aircraft as weapons.

While they were cooking up their scheme, certain law enforcement and intelligence agencies started to get little blips on their radar.

Unfortunately, and this is true of every LE agency in the U.S. that I'm familar with, nobody in the agencies in question with tasking authority had the view that the little blips constituted a pattern, and needed to be focused on - other problems were ahead of the blips in the enforcement priority queue, and agent and officers reports went unheeded.

Agencies and officers that had an idea that something serious was going on did not have the opportunty to compare notes, so that those closest to the terrorist operation couldn't put their seperate parts of intel together into a whole.

After the fact, folks in the administration end of enforcement realized that they and their respective agencies had made the worst awe **** mistake in the history of the republic, as did certain politicans, so at that point the CYA principle came into the picture, and reputation and position protection became Job One.

 

[Dash80]

No. Can you please repost that image? Thanks ahead of time.

Tracy

Tracy I've been away from this forum for months and only catching up on things today, and even I know the images referred to.

Ryan's excellent lesson on vortexes and images, PAGE ONE POST # 14

This is supposed to be YOUR thread, and you can't find something that I have been able to find within one day of returning?

 

[twinstead]

I'm not. What's the upside to her getting over her weird ass delusions? It's not as if anyone is sitting around with baited breath waiting for her to make up her mind. There's no impact one way or the other.

Yea, I know, but I'm fascinated by people who come to conclusions opposite of things that have so much evidence to support them.

 

[Craig4]

Yea, I know, but I'm fascinated by people who come to conclusions opposite of things that have so much evidence to support them.

Oh sure. There's no reason not to do thought experiments on them.

 

[swright777]

I'm not. What's the upside to her getting over her weird ass delusions? It's not as if anyone is sitting around with baited breath waiting for her to make up her mind. There's no impact one way or the other.

Watch what you post. Someone will quote mine and then you'll be a no-planer no-impacter!

 

[dafydd]

I'm not. What's the upside to her getting over her weird ass delusions? It's not as if anyone is sitting around with baited breath waiting for her to make up her mind. There's no impact one way or the other.

Nobody in the world care a jot about her opinions regarding 911.

 

[pgimeno]

WTC Dust keeps ignoring the most relevant questions that just prove her hypothesis wrong, and the rebuttals keep piling up.

For example, Orphia Nay's questions are key to WTC Dust's "small group of people" hypothesis, but she decides to ignore them.

There's nothing in her story and cartoon, but a delusion. A worrying one, given its profound lack of reality basis.

 

[DGM]

No. Can you please repost that image? Thanks ahead of time.

Tracy

Do you see the funnel shaped smoke feature that runs down the left side of the tower?

Please acknowledge that you see this.

 

[Myriad]

Here's the true narrative.

Some muslim hard ons cooked up a fairly simple plan - smuggle edged weapons onto commercial flights, kill or seriously wound some aircrew and passengers, cowing the remainder.

After they accomplished that, the plan was to hit selected targets, using the aircraft as weapons...

But when you look at it, it's remarkable how much the cartoon gets right. A small room behind a single door, just like an airliner cockpit. "Authorized personnel only," just like in a cockpit. Chairs in front of control consoles side by side, just like the seats in an airliner cockpit. The people (all male, just like the hijackers) using the controls to direct the weapon at the target building, just like the hijackers did on 9/11. And all of them dying in a flash of red just as the attack hits the target, just like the hijackers did on 9/11.

There could be an interesting psychological phenomenon on display here. It seems like awareness of reality creeping in where it's not welcome. Like when the real pain of a real physical injury becomes part of an otherwise unrelated dream.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Craig4]

Watch what you post. Someone will quote mine and then you'll be a no-planer no-impacter!

Excellent point. Certain people with odd beliefs tend of have an integrity deficit and will attribute all kinds of things to you dishonestly.

 

[alienentity]

Bravo Myriad

 

[R.A.F.]

I find it hard to believe that so many people accept the gravity collapse model.

Well, ya see, that is where relevance comes in. You have demonstrated NO EXPERTISE in any scientific subject, so what you believe is irrelevant to this discussion.


I find it hard to believe ANYTHING you have to say.

That's what happens when you "expose" your credulous belief in things not evidenced...

 

[000063]

I think I've worked it out. When the NWO operative pressed the button on their computer, it sent a signal to hundreds of cars parked near the WTC. This activated their wiper motors and CD players.

Here's the clever bit: discreetly attached to each wiper arm was a magic wand, and the CD played a recorded loop of someone saying 'accio dust' in a Hermione Grainger voice.

That's how they did it, and that's why all those cars mysteriously burnt out. They were destroying the evidence.

That would summon the dust, not send it up in the sky. What you want is Incendio to set the cars on fire. Then the wands burn up, along with the the CDs. The perfect crime.

NO it was not

How can you seek to evade reality so much???????

Practice.

 

[minnemouse]

Alienentity; my sentiments exactly! So DUST is mostly FAR off (or out, if you like), but if she hops on the antipot wagon, and see the world as it REALLY is, she is kinda right, even though she will never admit it? Hmmmmm.....hahahaha I have heard about a soap opera.... but a foam opera? Nevah before DUST came along! I am guessing that her next project will be a DUST opera! You go girl, DUST! ;-P

 

[MIKILLINI]

You are correct. I'm not posting to the JREF forum out of scientific curiosity. I'm seeking a debunking.

You really should explain "Debunking". I don't think you know what it means....

I see the point your making, but it's only a storied guess depicted as a cartoon. We get that, okay? Now, how will you ever reach the point where this story can be tested? The next step is to understand the motive..What was the motive for destroying these buildings? Was it because these buildings were viewed/represented as symbols of American financial power?

In 1993 that was the viewpoint of Ramzi Yousef when him and Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal A. Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj parked a truck full of explosives in the basement of the North Tower and detonated the bomb. They hoped the North tower would collapse into the South Tower causing both to come down, but that didn't work. The financier of that attempt was Yosef's Uncle; Khaled Sheikh Mohammed. This brings a question: How determined of a man was Mohammed? Would he try again? In what way?

Or was a motive for testing a new, exotic weapon? New weapons are mainly tested on a battlefield against a foe, not on the civilian population..That is totally bad form testing on the civilians...Way to many witnesses and potential whistle-blowers. A weapon of such magnitude and source of energy needed to power it up wouldn't have gone unnoticed. Who built it? Who got the contracts? How would something like this be applied to the battlefield?

These are your choices of motive...Now the next step would be finding evidence to build a case that can fit the motive and what happened with these buildings.

How these buildings collapsed requires physics to sort out facts. Laws of physics on Earth are absolute because that's just how Earth works : The behavior of physics in the real context cannot be altered, no matter what. Math formulas were created to measure physics and understand how they behave. Technological advances could be tested further and measured, studied, then tested again. This can't be done safely without knowing physics and applied science. Laws of physics answered more questions in line with damage from aircraft striking the buildings combined with subsequent fires to bring them down.

This is why people are pointing the scientific evidence out to you, so that you can realize what this specific evidence has revealed: Science and physics explain not only the evidence in determining what happened to the buildings, but how impossible it is to build an exotic weapon (like Judy's imaginary one), even with today's technology.
Please, get some clarification.

 

[leonAzul]

Most would say that the perpetrators drove to the airport and boarded planes. I say those physical acts weren't the ones that did the deed. That the physical acts were simple, not obvious, and performed at a computer terminal or controller. Pressing buttons is the physical act that destroyed the WTC.

Yeah, it's a little black-boxy, but it describes how 9/11 was accomplished in a unique way. Nobody else in the field is talking about it from this perspective. Nobody else is saying the perps were inside an office somewhere.

Perhaps that is because nobody has any evidence that such an office exists, whereas there are entire dossiers on those individuals who boarded the planes who were connected to terrorist groups, along with evidence that they had indeed boarded the planes involved in the events of 11 Sep. 2001.

Which is simpler: hypothetical offices or real people?

 

[NoahFence]

Bravo Myriad

What else is new...

You know that person that captures exactly what you're thinking? That's myriad.

 

[Orphia Nay]

You are correct. I'm not posting to the JREF forum out of scientific curiosity. I'm seeking a debunking.

The plane passengers' remains debunk your hypothesis.

You know this, because you willfully ignore them, and instead continue your attention-seeking hobby.

 

[WTC Dust]

snipped physics

You bring up physics. New physics is needed to understand the WTC attacks.

You can't just use the intellectual toolbox you already had on 9/11 and figure out what happened.

Did you buy the airplane story from the beginning? There's your problem.

 

[WTC Dust]

The plane passengers' remains debunk your hypothesis.

You know this, because you willfully ignore them, and instead continue your attention-seeking hobby.

Are you personally in possession of any of the so-called plane passenger's remains?

You seem to have believed the airplane story from the beginning all the way up until today. Is this true?