Merged 9/11 No Plane/Energy Weapon discussion thread

[CompusMentus]

Greetings Stellafane
<snip>pointless blather</snip>

I refer readers to my previous post:-

Noted that jammonius gives no source other than that of Dr. Judy Wood for this claim. I must conclude the reason for this is that such a source does not exist.

Confirmed :-]

Compus

 

[beachnut]

Something certainly came out of WTC 2 on the north side. What, specifically, convinces you that it was a jet engine?

Don't give in to reality. Reality stinks

 

[dafydd]

[qimg]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/wtcengine4.jpg[/qimg]

These holographic projections really look convincing.

 

[Redwood]

Sorry, very wrong.

This is a place I volunteer and have put on many demonstrations. Is this something you would like an actual education on?



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The site has been fully restored and everything except the blast furnace is functional (although it could be). If you're in Massachusetts someday, stop by.

If you want to know about something, it's a good idea to ask a person experienced in that field. Even better, a person who makes his living in that field. Ask a blacksmith about smithing; ask an analytical chemist about chemical analysis. How many truthers have actual expertise in the fields they make claims in?

 

[DGM]

If you want to know about something, it's a good idea to ask a person experienced in that field. Even better, a person who makes his living in that field. Ask a blacksmith about smithing; ask an analytical chemist about chemical analysis. How many truthers have actual expertise in the fields they make claims in?

I was going to offer to make a few nails for her if she came to visit.

 

[CompusMentus]

If, as Judy Wood insists, the towers were "dustified" and "wafted to the heavens", what caused the seismic disturbances during the collapse(s)?

A simple, direct question. One that the Woodites fail to/cannot answer.

I wonder why?


Compus

 

[tsig]

Read this article.
"According to a military physicist given the task of looking into the hologram idea, the feasibility had been established of projecting large, three-dimensional objects that appeared to float in the air."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

It contains proof that the concept was bantered about in 1990.

But doing so over the skies of Iraq? To project such a hologram over Baghdad on the order of several hundred feet, they calculated, would take a mirror more than a mile square in space, as well as huge projectors and power sources.

The Gulf War hologram story might be dismissed were it not the case that washingtonpost.com has learned that a super secret program was established in 1994 to pursue the very technology for PSYOPS application. The "Holographic Projector" is described in a classified Air Force document as a system to "project information power from space ... for special operations deception missions."

Right!

 

[MIKILLINI]

[qimg]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/wtcengine4.jpg[/qimg]

Don't give in to reality. Reality stinks

And there's even a street sign to help her out.

 

[Axxman300]

Read this article.
"According to a military physicist given the task of looking into the hologram idea, the feasibility had been established of projecting large, three-dimensional objects that appeared to float in the air."

It contains proof that the concept was bantered about in 1990.

But doing so over the skies of Iraq? To project such a hologram over Baghdad on the order of several hundred feet, they calculated, would take a mirror more than a mile square in space, as well as huge projectors and power sources.

Okay, think the hologram thing out logically.

1.The R&D to create the holographic projectors needed to pull off the outdoor/daylight visuals of 9/11 - with sound would have cost billions. Yet it has not been used again.

2. Technology isn't developed in a vacuum, each major technological step was mirrored in multiple labs around the world at the same time. So someone else also has this holographic technology too...yet not a peep.

3. Think about how much money this technology would be worth in the entertainment industry. It would be a godsend. You could watch the Super Bowl in your local stadium via hologram. You could watch the Beatles play Shea Stadium. Movies would become an event again....and the porn industry would...well you get the idea.

4. 9/11 happened in front of hundreds of thousands of people in NYC. Nobody saw anything suspicious? No large generator trucks? Projectors on roof tops? None of those hundreds of thousands knew anything about lasers?

The hologram theory doesn't pass the basic conspiracy theory motive test element: Greed. They could have made hundreds of billions above board by now, and they'd be free to spend it. To use holographic planes in a mass murder and flush all of that money down the toilet makes zero sense.

So you have this huge money maker sitting in an warehouse somewhere that you can never use again because it made the crime of the century. Who signs onto a dumb idea like this?

 

[fess]

Tried to teach you about an aircraft's wake, and you won't learn. That's silly.

I answered her claim before by saying that I doubted that the wake generated during take off from ORD would follow me all the way to AVP. Especially considering that the smoke created during touchdown at AVP didn’t even follow me down the runway.

 

[plague311]

Okay, think the hologram thing out logically.

1.The R&D to create the holographic projectors needed to pull off the outdoor/daylight visuals of 9/11 - with sound would have cost billions. Yet it has not been used again.

2. Technology isn't developed in a vacuum, each major technological step was mirrored in multiple labs around the world at the same time. So someone else also has this holographic technology too...yet not a peep.

3. Think about how much money this technology would be worth in the entertainment industry. It would be a godsend. You could watch the Super Bowl in your local stadium via hologram. You could watch the Beatles play Shea Stadium. Movies would become an event again....and the porn industry would...well you get the idea.

4. 9/11 happened in front of hundreds of thousands of people in NYC. Nobody saw anything suspicious? No large generator trucks? Projectors on roof tops? None of those hundreds of thousands knew anything about lasers?

The hologram theory doesn't pass the basic conspiracy theory motive test element: Greed. They could have made hundreds of billions above board by now, and they'd be free to spend it. To use holographic planes in a mass murder and flush all of that money down the toilet makes zero sense.

So you have this huge money maker sitting in an warehouse somewhere that you can never use again because it made the crime of the century. Who signs onto a dumb idea like this?

I like it, good post.

 

[swright777]

A simple, direct question. One that the Woodites fail to/cannot answer.

I wonder why?


Compus

Order 66?

 

[threadworm]

An actual scientist would know that rejecting one hypothesis does not automatically confer validity on another one, particularly when that alternative hypothesis is untested, or even defined, let alone one that defies all logic. If my experimental work failed to prove that gravity was the attractive force pulling an apple towards the ground, I can not automatically assume that magic pixies did it instead. A decent scientist would never completely reject their hypothesis when there is such a large body of data that supports it.

If someone with a PhD came up with the analysis above then either standards have radically changed since I got mine or they have a receipt for it. Having a PhD does not automatically give you expertise in a range of subjects, but it should at least give the holder a thorough understanding of the appropriate methodologies relevant to the discipline concerned. The 'findings' I have read here show a shameful lack of that understanding.

The seismic analysis presented above is fundamentally flawed by dint of it comparing the seismic signals from the collapse of buildings with those from totally different events. An earthquake has a massive release of energy that generates the P and S waves. A building collapse is entirely different.

 

[swright777]

An actual scientist would know that rejecting one hypothesis does not automatically confer validity on another one, particularly when that alternative hypothesis is untested, or even defined, let alone one that defies all logic. If my experimental work failed to prove that gravity was the attractive force pulling an apple towards the ground, I can not automatically assume that magic pixies did it instead. A decent scientist would never completely reject their hypothesis when there is such a large body of data that supports it.

If someone with a PhD came up with the analysis above then either standards have radically changed since I got mine or they have a receipt for it. Having a PhD does not automatically give you expertise in a range of subjects, but it should at least give the holder a thorough understanding of the appropriate methodologies relevant to the discipline concerned. The 'findings' I have read here show a shameful lack of that understanding.

The seismic analysis presented above is fundamentally flawed by dint of it comparing the seismic signals from the collapse of buildings with those from totally different events. An earthquake has a massive release of energy that generates the P and S waves. A building collapse is entirely different.

An actual scientist that isn't bat spit crazy.

 

[swright777]

If she is, then I apologize for my earlier remarks and I withdraw them unreservedly. Dr. Woods is as sane as the next truther. Have mercy mods, I only just got back.

I enjoy your posts. I hope that I didn't get you in trouble. I only meant that jammonius sounds like he could be Judy Wood. Maybe he is a Wood Shill.

I think you knew as much, but couldn't tell for sure.

 

[SUSpilot]

I answered her claim before by saying that I doubted that the wake generated during take off from ORD would follow me all the way to AVP. Especially considering that the smoke created during touchdown at AVP didn’t even follow me down the runway.

Oh, I know I'm not the only one.

What she knows about aerodynamics couldn't even fill a thimble.

 

[CompusMentus]

I enjoy your posts. I hope that I didn't get you in trouble. I only meant that jammonius sounds like he could be Judy Wood. Maybe he is a Wood Shill.
I think you knew as much, but couldn't tell for sure.

I don't think jammonius is JW. He is widely accepted (on JREF) to be lawer/truther Jerry Leaphart close associate and confidante of the Lady of the Dust.


Compus

 

[alienentity]

Okay, think the hologram thing out logically.

Bzzzz! That's your problem right there...if one applied logic to any of this it would vaporize into nothing. No, a tortured avoidance of logic is operating here.

But the rest of the post was excellent, if wasted on the intended subject.

 

[X]

I've got it!

A recap:
1) The DEW was not in space (per WTC Dust, and apparently Ms. Wood)
2) DEW works because tasers work because hurricanes something something electromagnetic
3) There were no planes, merely illusions.


Therefore, I conclude that there was not one but two DEWs.
i) The DEWs were gigantic hurricane-powered tasers.
ii) Tasers require wires. Thus the DEWs qould have needed wired to transmit the dustification energy
iii) The planes were fake models, and were slid along the DEW wires.
iv) Since the planes came from different directions, there must have been 2 DEWs.




The whole DEW conjecture is some of the stupidest crap I've ever read. And Ms Wood's fan club can pass that back to her.

 

[jammonius]

The seismic data analysis done by Dr. Wood FALSIFIES the common storyline of 9/11

I refer readers to my previous post:-

Confirmed :-]

Compus

Compus,

The desparation of your posting could not be more obvious. You quoted a post that snipped out the detailed post I submitted by doing this:

Originally Posted by jammonius
Greetings Stellafane
<snip>pointless blather</snip>

Originally Posted by CompusMentus
Noted that jammonius gives no source other than that of Dr. Judy Wood for this claim. I must conclude the reason for this is that such a source does not exist.

You therefore completely ignored my actual response.

In particular, you have now completely ignored the plain as day fact that I have posted that confirms that the seismic data analysis done by Dr. Wood falsifies the common storyline of how the WTC complex was destroyed.

Your quibbling around the edges and your intentional clipping of what I have actually posted only serves to confirm you are putting on blinders so as not to see what has been made clear and plain.

Further, you have reintroduced your compliment of my posts by engaging in the old "turnabout is fair play" tactic of yours.

At some point, our lurkers are going to realize that the claim of seismic data falsification of the common storyline of 9/11 has not been countered by any poster here at all, not just you.