9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[uke2se]

Can somebody please explain to uke2se what the difference is between a non-agression agreement and a military alliance? He won't accept it from me.

A non-agression agreement is merely an agreement not to hit each other on the face. Maybe that is good enough to count as a friendship in uke2se's book, but in nobody else his book.

A military alliance means that 2 parties are willing to sacrifice large numbers of soldiers for a common cause, something completely different.

You mean like the military alliance that the Germans and Soviets had to carve up Poland and to divide Eastern Europe into Soviet and German zones of influence? Like that alliance?

 

[SanityGap]

You missed a line from the "doctors plot" quote.

"After the death of Joseph Stalin in March 1953, the new Soviet leadership declared that the case was fabricated"

Apart from quote mining the first few lines, have you actually read the article?
Uncle Joe was paranoid, who'd a'thought it?

 

[Wroclaw]

Unless you can provide us with a photo of Beria midship while taking a shower, I stay with this assessment

Well, we know you never actually read the book yourself, but I'll ask anyway. Where in this book does the author actually say that Beria was Jewish?

I'll help: It doesn't. In fact, both of these incidents are reported in the context of smears being made against any party members and people in the MGD of being Jewish who weren't.

And in this book...

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/5279.html

... we find:

Here's material from the paragraph immediately above the one our little friend "quoted":

This is not to say that Beria always went out of his way to defend Jews. He had, after all, obeyed Stalin's order to deport tens of thousands of Polish and Ukrainian Jews to Siberia in 1940 and 1941. And he was not above making anti-Semitic comments about his Jewish colleagues. According to to Molotov, Beria referred to Kaganovich behind his back as "Lazar, that Israelite."{66}

Why do you people continue to quote out of context? You get caught every time!

 

[Toke]

You mean like the military alliance that the Germans and Soviets had to carve up Poland and to divide Eastern Europe into Soviet and German zones of influence? Like that alliance?

No, I think he mean the joint research and development of armoured warfare in the 30'es.

 

[9/11-investigator]

You missed a line from the "doctors plot" quote.

"After the death of Joseph Stalin in March 1953, the new Soviet leadership declared that the case was fabricated"

Apart from quote mining the first few lines, have you actually read the article?
Uncle Joe was paranoid, who'd a'thought it?

Which shows that according to the average JRef poster we always should take statements made by 'the new Soviet leadership' for the absolute truth.

I indeed did not read the article. I was vagely aware of the doctors plot story that (out of the top of my head) Stalin had organized a few thousand buses, waiting outside Moscow to cart of Jews to an undisclosed location, but that his Jewish doctor knew it in advance and made sure it did not happen, by giving Stalin his final 'medicine'. Something like that. I do not think that uncle Joe was merely paranoid. In the USSR, the most Godforsaken system ever, you had to be paranoid to survive. Stalin simply out-thugged his Jewish competitors, a very remarkable and rare thing in human history.

When Dolfie in Mein Kampf described these Soviet criminals as the 'dregs of humanity' he said that from a humanitarian/Christian angle. Who would have thought that?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Unless you can provide us with a photo of yourself midship while taking a shower, I stay with this assessment:

9/11 investigator, a Jew, has a tendency toward confirmation bias in the course of his research.

So what do you have to bring as evidence that Beria was not a Jew?

Zionist friendly edited wikipedia does not count.

 

[9/11-investigator]

You mean like the military alliance that the Germans and Soviets had to carve up Poland and to divide Eastern Europe into Soviet and German zones of influence? Like that alliance?

That is not an alliance. An alliance would have been that Germany and Russia would have helped each other if one of them would not have been able to crush the Poles on 'their' part of Poland. They simply took a map, drew a line, and promised each other not to go after each other. That was it.

 

[9/11-investigator]

No, I think he mean the joint research and development of armoured warfare in the 30'es.

We are talking here about 1939 when uke2se claims that a German-Russian 'alliance' had emerged, not what happened before. Besides today Britain and Germany are each cooperating with Libya on the military front. Does anybody want to make the point that Britain and Libya have an 'alliance'?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/20/british-crowd-control-equipment-libya

That is why Toke is on ignore and stays there.

 

[VonKleist]

So what do you have to bring as evidence that Beria was not a Jew?

Zionist friendly edited wikipedia does not count.

So what do you have to bring as evidence that you are not a Jew?

Zionist friendly edited personal 'blogs does not count.

 

[9/11-investigator]

This is not to say that Beria always went out of his way to defend Jews. He had, after all, obeyed Stalin's order to deport tens of thousands of Polish and Ukrainian Jews to Siberia in 1940 and 1941. And he was not above making anti-Semitic comments about his Jewish colleagues. According to to Molotov, Beria referred to Kaganovich behind his back as "Lazar, that Israelite."{66}

The first sentence says that Beria usually 'went out of his way to defend Jews'.

Now, why would he do that?

The next sentence illustrates that Beria obeyed Stalin. Afterall Stalin was more powerful than Beria, so he had to obey, even if it concerned Jews.

Regarding making 'anti-semitic statements' he made... we have already estaablished that Beria always tried to conceal his Jewish identity. Making anti-semitic statements is a good way of doing that.

But tell me Wroclaw, what according to you are we to make of the statement that Beria after the death of Stalin attempt a revival of the jewish culture?

 

[9/11-investigator]

So what do you have to bring as evidence that you are not a Jew?

Zionist friendly edited personal 'blogs does not count.

Translation: garethdjb has nothing to back up his claim that 'of course Beria was not Jewish'.

No further questions, your honor.

 

[VonKleist]

Translation: garethdjb has nothing to back up his claim that 'of course Beria was not Jewish'.

Beria's parents were Maria Ivanovna and Pavel Kukhaevich Beria*. Neither of these were Jewish. That 9/11-investigator, a Bengali, believes otherwise is wholly irrelevant.

*Source.

 

[uke2se]

That is not an alliance. An alliance would have been that Germany and Russia would have helped each other if one of them would not have been able to crush the Poles on 'their' part of Poland.

Could you point out where in the definition of "military alliance" it says that two nations that ally "must" help each other in the conquering of another nation if one of the two has "problems"?

What Nazi Germany and the USSR had was an offensive military alliance coupled with a non-aggression pact.

They simply took a map, drew a line, and promised each other not to go after each other. That was it.

They also had a mutual beneficial military cooperation leading back to the 1930s, exchanging tactical doctrines, training routines and military hardware.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Beria's parents were Maria Ivanovna and Pavel Kukhaevich Beria*. Neither of these were Jewish. That 9/11-investigator, a Bengali, believes otherwise is wholly irrelevant.

*Source.

gareth does not give a source at all, he just grabbed it from wikipedia. He tries to be funny and for the umptieth time posts links to Amsterdam libraries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavrentiy_Beria

In an earlier post I showed you a previous version of the wikipedia Beria entry that said that he was Jewish. Next I gave links to (academic) books that make clear he was Jewish.

 

[uke2se]

Translation: garethdjb has nothing to back up his claim that 'of course Beria was not Jewish'.

No further questions, your honor.

Translation: Nein11 has nothing to back up his claim that he's not Jewish.

No further questions, your honor.

 

[uke2se]

In an earlier post I showed you a previous version of the wikipedia Beria entry that said that he was Jewish. Next I gave links to (academic) books that make clear he was Jewish.

Linky or remove your lie.

 

[SanityGap]

he just grabbed it from wikipedia.

Pot, kettle, black.

 

[Wroclaw]

In an earlier post I showed you a previous version of the wikipedia Beria entry that said that he was Jewish.

And anybody can edit Wikipedia. It requires no expertise whatsoever.

Next I gave links to (academic) books that make clear he was Jewish.

And I demonstrated that you were wrong in both cases.

You are truly a charlatan.

 

[Wroclaw]

The first sentence says that Beria usually 'went out of his way to defend Jews'.

Your inability to read with any degree of comprehension is not my problem.

A real man admits when he's wrong.

But tell me Wroclaw, what according to you are we to make of the statement that Beria after the death of Stalin attempt a revival of the jewish culture?

Admit that you read neither book and I'll tell you.

 

[Wroclaw]

So what do you have to bring as evidence that Beria was not a Jew?

What evidence do you have that you aren't?