9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[9/11-investigator]

I wanted to say; could someone turn of the lights please, since I thought the embarrasment for 9/11investigator would be too much for him to continue the thread.

Please go, Ignorantbystander. Nobody is going to miss you. There are too many of you anyway. I would prefer that you would go indeed and that only the elite stays. I have mentioned names plus 1 or 2 more. Simon isn't bad either, I put him now higher than Matthew.

Pure Argent is right, this is futile...
Or should we wait for some other CT-ers who claim that investigator must be a shill to make revisionism look stupid, and have some more fun.

If your goal is defeat me in a debat than your attemps are probably going to be futile indeed and you know it. And since nobody is interested in losing a debate IgnorantBystander (what's in a name?) prepares to pull the plug. If it's up to me, this thread can easily grow into 300 pages. A real JRef classic. It's a vast topic. But my message again: you are not going to stop the debat anyway. In all the debates of the last 15 years the holocaustians are in retreat. Avoiding debate, just like you are trying to do now.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I now realise that you are not actually reading anything we post or your own evidence.

I have a very busy career, only an hour or so before going to bed to read through the posts. It is 1 against 15 or so. You cannot expected to be serviced instantaniously. I need to read up on the subject also. I am in here for the long haul, months really, maybe even a year. No need to hurry. Maybe you should agree amongst yourself that only a few participate.

You said Krege was not looking for human ash or teeth.
I have shown you Krege's specific conclusions about human ash and teeth.

You are nitpicking. He went to investigate the holocaust, the alleged mass grave.

You say Krege found no evidence the ground was disturbed
We have posted the previous investigations where craters 5 meteres deep
were used but Krege didn't notice these craters! If Krege did not know the amplitude variances between ash, sand or soil then how did he reach his conclusion there was no human ash?

How do you know that Krege did not read up on the subject before he went to Poland? Do you really think he did not know what you can find in a few minutes of investigoogling? How big were these craters? A few m2? How do you know that Krege did not know where these previous craters were? Didn't he say 'largely undisturbed'?

 

[TSR]

And if you find that the soil was largely undisturbed than you have already drawn your most important conclusions being there was no mass grave.

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Except that a *real* expert in the interpretation says that this conclusion is incorrect.

Still waiting for you to detail Krege's expertise in the use of and interpretation of the results from a GPR survey, and how this can be reconciled to the bomb craters and agriculture known to be on site, but which Krege was completely unable to locate...
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[TSR]

You know very well that that was just a pretext:

http://www.germarrudolf.com/persecute/outlawed.html

Though the unauthorized use of official letterheads for private purposes was widespread at the Max-Planck-Institute at the time, in Rudolf’s case it became a no-no.

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your evidence for this?
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Apparently because of the failure of the MPG to respond to the intercession of I. Bubis. on June 22, 1993, the Zentralrat der Juden in Deutschland (Central Council of Jews in Germany) felt it necessary to notify the President of the MPG that he was expected to take appropriate measures to restrict the activities of Report researcher Germar Rudolf

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your evidence for this?
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[Ignorantbystander]

Please go, Ignorantbystander. Nobody is going to miss you.

you're breaking my heart...

If your goal is defeat me in a debat than your attemps are probably going to be futile indeed and you know it.

Black Knight Syndrome?

If it's up to me, this thread can easily grow into 300 pages. A real JRef classic. .

You're already a JREF classic.

 

[Simon39759]

Excellent, wonderful news! More attention for holocaust revisionism, now that a bishop no less, is prosecuted for his views on the holocaust tale:
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/...illiamson-trial-Germany-Holocaust-denial.html
British bishop Richard Williamson to go on trial in Germany for Holocaust denial
British Holocaust-denying bishop Richard Williamson faces trial in Germany for an outspoken TV interview in which he denied that the wartime extermination of the Jews took place.
He is to appeal, paving the way for a full hearing which could prove highly embarrassing for the church once more - even though Williamson can absent himself from proceedings to be represented just by his lawyer.
In the controversial interview, Williamson alleged that Nazi gas chambers had never existed and 'only 200,000 to 300,000 Jews' had been killed by the Nazis.
He went on to claim that historical evidence was 'hugely against six million having been deliberately gassed in gas chambers as a deliberate policy of Adolf Hitler... I believe there were no gas chambers.'

Correction, dear bishop, 200,000-300,000 died in the camps, where not murdered.

Correction, dear nazi sympathizer, even in the weird parallel universe you live in, the Nazis knowingly send masses of innocent to camps that were ravaged by a continuous outbreak of a deadly disease, hence knowingly exposing them to the infection that, you claim, ultimately took their life.
Your scenario, if it was not already fiction, would be murder, murder by bacteria, but murder all the same.

Apart from that, your whole post is but an 'argument from authority', which is a logical fallacy. Not as much of a logical sin as your favourite Argumentum ex culo, I will grant you that, but a fallacy none the less.

 

[Trojan]

http://www.vho.org/VffG/2000/1/Krege62-64.html

Ok, this is not an expert report, its a rehash of the same crap he published in 1999.

Do you consider this an expert report?

THIS is an expert report

http://www.hdot.org/en/trial/defense/van

Preface
1. The purpose of this report
2. My qualifications and expertise
3. Material instructions
4. Relevant documentation in the action
5. Relevant material and opinions
INTRODUCTION
PART ONE CONCERNING HISTORY
I Auschwitz.31
II Auschwitz and the Holocaust
PART TWO CONCERNING EVIDENCE
III Intimations, 1941 - 1945
IV Attestations, 1945 - 46
V Confessions, 1945 - 47
PART THREE CONCERNING DOCUMENTS
VI Blueprints of Genocide
PART FOUR CONCERNING DENIAL
VII Auschwitz and Holocaust Denial
VIII Auschwitz and the Faurisson Affair
IX The Leuchter Report
PART FIVE CONCERNING IRVING
X Auschwitz and David Irving (1977 - 1988 -1992)
XI Irving Adrift (1993 -1998)
CONCLUSION

Good God, what a waste, that anyone would consider Krege an expert is

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Aha, a Boasian. No surprises here.

Nice try. You no doubt belong to one of the fringe groups who claim Boas's jewish background has some influence on his work. That's because you have never read one of his books.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

It was probably me who brought up Krege in this thread in the first place but I had not a clue what his conclusions were.

That's right. You didn't have a clue. That's why I posted the conclusion for you so you could read it and see your error.

Originally Posted by 9/11-investigator
My dear fellow, as was to be expected you completely missed the point. Krege was not looking for:
- skull and bones, let alone ash or other human remains
- golden teeth

Now read Krege's conclusion again and see if you can spot your error.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Please go, Ignorantbystander. Nobody is going to miss you. There are too many of you anyway. I would prefer that you would go indeed and that only the elite stays. I have mentioned names plus 1 or 2 more. Simon isn't bad either, I put him now higher than Matthew.

Funny. I thought it was the evidence that was destroying your position. Simon, Ignorantbystander, myself and others are simply passing existing information to you. Do you kick your TV set if you don't like the movie?

 

[Simon39759]

Simon, Ignorantbystander, myself and others are simply passing existing information to you. Do you kick your TV set if you don't like the movie?

I do insult mine; but mostly when I am watching the news...

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I have a very busy career, only an hour or so before going to bed to read through the posts. It is 1 against 15 or so. You cannot expected to be serviced instantaniously. I need to read up on the subject also. I am in here for the long haul, months really, maybe even a year. No need to hurry. Maybe you should agree amongst yourself that only a few participate.

Not really. You came here to "explain the Holocaust". You made your decision to post your strange beliefs on a forum with over 1500 members. What did you think would happen? If you don't have time to do research then why are you explaining the holocaust to us? We seem to have no problems explaining the holocaust to you with research

 

[Nonpareil]

If your goal is defeat me in a debat than your attemps are probably going to be futile indeed and you know it. And since nobody is interested in losing a debate IgnorantBystander (what's in a name?) prepares to pull the plug. If it's up to me, this thread can easily grow into 300 pages. A real JRef classic. It's a vast topic. But my message again: you are not going to stop the debat anyway. In all the debates of the last 15 years the holocaustians are in retreat. Avoiding debate, just like you are trying to do now.

No, 9/11-investigator, we are not "in retreat". If we decide to "pull the plug" on this thread, as you put it, it will not be because we have lost. It would be comparable to euthanizing a sick friend who is not going to get better, whose entire life from this point can be nothing but a stunted, grotesque masque of pain and misery.
It is not because we cannot defeat your arguments. It is because we cannot break down the wall of willful ignorance that surrounds your brain. It is because we recognize that there is no hope at all for you. In seventy pages of discussion, you have presented four, maybe five arguments against the Holocaust, and every one of them has been smacked down. You're like a boxer who doesn't know when to stay down. You're bleeding out your ears, your face is destroyed, and your fingers have broken, but you won't leave the ring. And your opponent isn't bloodied in the slightest.
It is only in your delusional fantasies that you are the victor here. You have not been able to land a single solid punch on your opponent. You have been put down for the count multiple times, but you keep getting back up and trying the same techniques while expecting different results.
We aren't surrendering. We're leaving the ring in disgust and pity, feeling slightly dirty inside for having let the fight carry on this long when we should have, by all accounts, just let you bleed in peace five rounds ago.

 

[Amazer]

I have a very busy career, only an hour or so before going to bed to read through the posts. It is 1 against 15 or so. You cannot expected to be serviced instantaniously. I need to read up on the subject also. I am in here for the long haul, months really, maybe even a year. No need to hurry. Maybe you should agree amongst yourself that only a few participate.

Most of us have busy careers, families to look after, doesn't seem to hamper our efforts to debunk your garbage.

Besides, you are the one that is making the claim that the Holocaust didn't happen. It's therefor upon you to provide us with evidence that supports that claim. So far, all your 'evidence' has failed to support your claims. Either because you haven't read the (preliminary) reports entirely, as was the case with Krege. Or because you haven't followed the trail of evidence to it's conclusion (Resettlement of Jews in the East).

You are nitpicking. He went to investigate the holocaust, the alleged mass grave.

The devil is in the details... just like it is with your theory that large number of Jews were resettled in the east.

How do you know that Krege did not read up on the subject before he went to Poland? Do you really think he did not know what you can find in a few minutes of investigoogling? How big were these craters? A few m2? How do you know that Krege did not know where these previous craters were? Didn't he say 'largely undisturbed'?

You don't think it's weird that ten years after he went to Poland and used the GPR, and he still hasn't brought out his actual report? Could it be that Krege had an actual expert look at his data and that the results weren't what Krege had hoped for?

 

[Trojan]

In all the debates of the last 15 years the holocaustians are in retreat.

Please name ONE debate the revisionists have won!

Just one in the last 15 years, hell, make that 60 years!

Lipstadt v. Irving?

Leuchter v. Van Pelt?

Rudolf v. Green?

How about online? Rodoh? Phora? There is not one level playing field the revisionists have one, not one!

 

[Amazer]

Excellent, wonderful news! More attention for holocaust revisionism, now that a bishop no less, is prosecuted for his views on the holocaust tale:

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/...illiamson-trial-Germany-Holocaust-denial.html

British bishop Richard Williamson to go on trial in Germany for Holocaust denial

British Holocaust-denying bishop Richard Williamson faces trial in Germany for an outspoken TV interview in which he denied that the wartime extermination of the Jews took place.

He is to appeal, paving the way for a full hearing which could prove highly embarrassing for the church once more - even though Williamson can absent himself from proceedings to be represented just by his lawyer.

In the controversial interview, Williamson alleged that Nazi gas chambers had never existed and 'only 200,000 to 300,000 Jews' had been killed by the Nazis.

He went on to claim that historical evidence was 'hugely against six million having been deliberately gassed in gas chambers as a deliberate policy of Adolf Hitler... I believe there were no gas chambers.'


Correction, dear bishop, 200,000-300,000 died in the camps, where not murdered.

As a consequence ever more people will want to read about the event and find out what causes all this fuzz. That's the way it started with me.

Maybe the bishop wants to be a martyrer and turns himself in to go to jail. What a prospect.

There is something in the air
Oh, there is something in the air
There is something in the air
Oh yeah

Deep within your mind you have been blind
Look around and find
There's something in the air

Derail much?

How about you start reading the links (like the Krege preliminary report) you yourself provide instead of looking for articles that appeal to your prejudice?

Or start looking for proper evidence that support your claims? I'm still waiting for evidence that Jews were resettled in the East.

Or is that too much to ask?

 

[Kurse]

In all the debates of the last 15 years the holocaustians are in retreat. Avoiding debate, just like you are trying to do now.

SAYS THE MAN WHO PUT THREE (maybe more) PEOPLE ON IGNORE!!!
You have no place to say someone is retreating, you coward!! You have no place to say you win, when you have lost. You have no CHANCE at dragging it out when you were proven wrong on PAGE ONE. Your like a broken race-horse trying to fake a trot to save your life, but your not fooling anyone and it's time to put you down.

 

[Belz...]

If your goal is defeat me in a debat than your attemps are probably going to be futile indeed and you know it.

- "Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates ?"
- "Yes."
- "Morons."

 

[Arkyrion]

Let us settle this right now, once and for all. I have the wine and the Iocane powder.

 

[dudalb]

No, 9/11-investigator, we are not "in retreat". If we decide to "pull the plug" on this thread, as you put it, it will not be because we have lost. It would be comparable to euthanizing a sick friend who is not going to get better, whose entire life from this point can be nothing but a stunted, grotesque masque of pain and misery.
It is not because we cannot defeat your arguments. It is because we cannot break down the wall of willful ignorance that surrounds your brain. It is because we recognize that there is no hope at all for you. In seventy pages of discussion, you have presented four, maybe five arguments against the Holocaust, and every one of them has been smacked down. You're like a boxer who doesn't know when to stay down. You're bleeding out your ears, your face is destroyed, and your fingers have broken, but you won't leave the ring. And your opponent isn't bloodied in the slightest.
It is only in your delusional fantasies that you are the victor here. You have not been able to land a single solid punch on your opponent. You have been put down for the count multiple times, but you keep getting back up and trying the same techniques while expecting different results.
We aren't surrendering. We're leaving the ring in disgust and pity, feeling slightly dirty inside for having let the fight carry on this long when we should have, by all accounts, just let you bleed in peace five rounds ago.

I am beginning his whole aim is to make everybody quit the thread in disgust, so he can claim victory to his Nazi buddies on other websites.
I would compare his claims of triumph to that of the Black Knight In "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" but that has already been done in this thread, and 9/11 Investigator responded by saying that the Black Knight's persistence is to be admired....