9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[9/11-investigator]

I wonder if you think this quote proves anything? He's British.

For Uzzy (sounds like an Israeli automatic rifle, shalom Uzzy) every Muslim who arrived in Britain 3 years ago and got a passport from Labour is 'British'. Again, Churchill's mother Jennie Jerome was an American, from New York (hence Churchill was not British). Jennie Jerome who btw was adulterous to the core. There were many rumors about Winston being an extramarital child ('inglorious bastard') which explains the very cool relationship between Winston and his father.

http://www.savethemales.ca/001071.html

"Unknown to Londoners, he had rejected Hitler's proposal to spare civilian targets. Quite the opposite, he goaded Hitler into bombing London by hitting Berlin and other civilian targets first.

Churchill told his Air Marshall: "Never mistreat an enemy by halves" and instructed his cabinet, "bombing of military objectives, increasingly widely interpreted, seems our best road home at present." He blocked the Red Cross from monitoring civilian casualties. (440)

Before the end of Sept. 1940, 7,000 Londoners including 700 children lay dead. By the end of the war, more than 60,000 British civilians and 650,000 German civilians died from "strategic" bombing.

In 1940, Churchill had to divert attacks from RAF airfields but he also wanted to start the bloodletting. A year had passed with little action. It was being called the "phoney war." Hitler was making generous peace offers that many Englishmen wanted to accept...

The essential fact about Winston Churchill is that his mother's father was Leonard Jerome (formerly Jacobson, 1818-1891) a speculator and business partner of August Belmont (nee Shoenberg 1813-1890), who was Rothschild's main American representative.

Jennie Jerome's marriage to Randolph Churchill, the second son of the Duke of Marlborough, appears to have been one of convenience, typical of many unions between daughters of Jewish financiers and spendthrift British aristocrats.

Apparently the Marlborough's objections were overcome by a dowry of 50,000 pounds, worth about five million dollars today. Nevertheless they did not attend the wedding in April 1874 and the Duchess referred to young Winston, born seven months later, as an "upstart...

Churchill's "driven" quality is attributed to the fact his parents neglected him and taught him to earn love by worldly achievements. (He also wanted to avenge his father whose political career/life was cut short by syphilis.) Winston became a successful author at age 24 and a cabinet minister at 33. His rise was assisted by his mother's connections with the Rothschild circle including the powerful banker Ernest Cassell.

In the 1930's Churchill's banker friends made him the leading light in their lobby, "The Focus Group," led by the Zionist chairman of British Shell, Sir Robert Waley-Cohen. Churchill became the main opponent of "appeasement" and eventually the main barrier to making peace with Hitler.""

Was Churchill Jewish? Probably. Anyway he acted solely in the interests of the Jews and completely against the interests of the British empire, which he alone unnecessary demolished.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Is this you building up to say he's Jewish, or something? I'll let you in on a little secret, the British don't care. He's Winston Churchill, and British to the core. We've not worried about the race, religion or colour of people for a while.

You act like you have a mandate to speak for the British people. You don't have such a mandate. The recent victory of the BNP is only a small sign of things to come. You cannot destroy nations, regardless how hard the Uzzy's of this world try. And in the end your attempts are going to backfire against you, like many times before in history.

What can happen in Russia in 2000 can happen in the US as well. And even in Britain.

And it will.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Today David Irving is quoted by the Independent from his interview he gave to a Spanish newspaper and caused a world-wide row:

How come, the interviewer persisted, you are the only historian to deny that the concentration camp at Auschwitz contributed to the Holocaust? "Because they all copy each other. To jump off the rails would condemn them to jail and poverty, which is what happened to me."

Mr Irving served 11 months in an Austrian jail in 2006 for denying that the Nazis killed six million Jews.

He insisted yesterday that Hitler was not responsible, being merely the dupe of smarter collaborators. "Hitler was a simple man constantly deceived by his subordinates." The allegation that the Nazi leader sought to exterminate the Jews was, he said, "a propaganda lie. In Hitler's speeches there is only one anti-Semitic sentence. Something about 'when the war begins, I want the Jews to suffer'. But that's just a stereotypical expression."

Goebbels and Himmler were more to blame, he said, but Churchill – "a corrupt politician" – was responsible for the war: "He pushed the UK into the war and destroyed the British empire. Churchill was in the hands of the Jews, and if he'd surrendered he'd have gone down in history as a failure. People would have laughed at him." So should he have made a pact with Hitler? "Of course. We were very close to ending the war in 1940."

The last paragraph contains the same message that Buchanan has been saying recently.

 

[Moss]

And Irving was never proven wrong of anything, especially not by Deborah Lipstadt, right? The value of Irving's scholarship is nil.

 

[lionking]

And Irving was never proven wrong of anything, especially not by Deborah Lipstadt, right? The value of Irving's scholarship is nil.

QFT

 

[9/11-investigator]

And Irving was never proven wrong of anything, especially not by Deborah Lipstadt, right? The value of Irving's scholarship is nil.

Irving was acknowledged as being the worlds number one historian of WW2, the one with the most detailed knowledge of archives.

And then Leuchter came along, whose findings were endorsed by Irving, who then changed his mind about the holocaust. That, he had better not done, since the holocaust is the centerpiece of the New World Order and thus he touched the central interests of the Jews, who are the architects of said NWO. Since then he has fallen into disgrace with the political correct crowd. For others, like me, he has become one of the last hero's of the West.

 

[Thunder]

He insisted yesterday that Hitler was not responsible, being merely the dupe of smarter collaborators. "Hitler was a simple man constantly deceived by his subordinates." The allegation that the Nazi leader sought to exterminate the Jews was, he said, "a propaganda lie. In Hitler's speeches there is only one anti-Semitic sentence. Something about 'when the war begins, I want the Jews to suffer'. But that's just a stereotypical expression." .

Such a liar. Hitler gave a speech to the Reichstag in 1939 saying that if the Jews forced Europe into another war they would be annihiliated. He repeated this threat in a later speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-OrWVMPwow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPpEQuatcTU&feature=related

 

[ddt]

Irving was acknowledged as being the worlds number one historian of WW2, the one with the most detailed knowledge of archives.

And then Leuchter came along, whose findings were endorsed by Irving, who then changed his mind about the holocaust.

Leuchter? You want another laughing dog? Leuchter the perjurer, who claimed he had advised two US states on gas chambers when in fact, he had not done so? Leuchter the felon who damaged a state monument? Leuchter the fraud who uses the title engineer he is not entitled to? Leuchter the scientific nil who got to his findings of "no cyanide" through a flawed testing?

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

Irving was acknowledged as being the worlds number one historian of WW2, the one with the most detailed knowledge of archives.

And then Leuchter came along, whose findings were endorsed by Irving, who then changed his mind about the holocaust. That, he had better not done, since the holocaust is the centerpiece of the New World Order and thus he touched the central interests of the Jews, who are the architects of said NWO. Since then he has fallen into disgrace with the political correct crowd. For others, like me, he has become one of the last hero's of the West.

I knew the NWO had to be involved somehow

 

[Thunder]

I knew the NWO had to be involved somehow

The Jews and the NWO...perfect together.

 

[Thunder]

how about making a damn search?

Here is a book

Here is the relevant quote from the book:

"For the message that Kent had been obliged to send that day, read in effect:

'I am half American and the natural person to work with you. It is evident we see eye to eye. Were I to become Prime Minister of Britain we could control the world.'"

So, this was not an ACTUAL quote from Churchill, but a extremely one sided interpretation of Churchill's actual words to Roosevelt.

Now, Uninvolved, I must ask:

were you aware that you were not quoting an ACTUAL statement from Churchill...or did you conveniently forget to mention that..or read that?

Oh, I'm sure your error was a mistake...right?

 

[Thunder]

Was Churchill Jewish? Probably. Anyway he acted solely in the interests of the Jews and completely against the interests of the British empire, which he alone unnecessary demolished.

lies...lies...and more lies.

 

[Moss]

Irving was wrong on many counts, for example the victim numbers of Dresden (he insisted on the overblown nazi propaganda figures). being uncritical of your sources does not make you a good historian. It makes you a propagandist.

 

[Thunder]

Here is the relevant quote from the book:

"For the message that Kent had been obliged to send that day, read in effect:

'I am half American and the natural person to work with you. It is evident we see eye to eye. Were I to become Prime Minister of Britain we could control the world.'"

So, this was not an ACTUAL quote from Churchill, but a extremely one sided interpretation of Churchill's actual words to Roosevelt.

Uninvolved- nuthin to say....ay?

 

[Uzzy]

Firstly, Churchill wasn't Jewish. He was British. But here's the thing.. even if he were of the Jewish faith, he'd still be British. The people who immigrate to Britain and gain passports become British, no matter what their faith or race. Some seem to view that as a weakness.

Regarding the Bombing, didn't we school you about that previously? One of the first acts of the entire war was the Luftwaffe destroying Wielun, which took place at 4:40am on 1st September, 1939. Frampol was destroyed on the 13th. Both had no military or industrial significance. The idea that it was the British who started bombing civilians is utterly ludicrous.

It's odd you speak of destroying nations. Hitler tried that with Poland (you know, that nation you think didn't exist before 1918). Was that wrong?

 

[Uninvolved]

The allegation that the Nazi leader sought to exterminate the Jews was, he said, "a propaganda lie"

Such a liar. Hitler gave a speech to the Reichstag in 1939 saying that if the Jews forced Europe into another war they would be annihiliated. He repeated this threat in a later speech.

You may not have noticed the key point: the threat was uttered for the case "the Jews forced Europe into another war". Is this "seeking to exterminate the Jews" in your convoluted understanding?

So, this was not an ACTUAL quote from Churchill, but a extremely one sided interpretation of Churchill's actual words to Roosevelt

So what? I knew that and I don't see any relevance of it.

On the other hand, your extremely one sided interpretation of Churchill's actual words to Roosevelt is totally baseless; in fact, it is a lie, it's your creature - or can you show, that the original was different in meaning?

Keep in eye: Kent was not a spy, he was not a nazi, he was not an enemy of Churchill. His only "problem" was, that he realized, that Roosevelt is misleading the American people, the Congress and the senate.

Uninvolved- nuthin to say....ay?

Sorry Parky, my life is not centered around JREF. Sometimes I have other things to do.

 

[ddt]

"Unknown to Londoners, he had rejected Hitler's proposal to spare civilian targets. Quite the opposite, he goaded Hitler into bombing London by hitting Berlin and other civilian targets first.

Regarding the Bombing, didn't we school you about that previously? One of the first acts of the entire war was the Luftwaffe destroying Wielun, which took place at 4:40am on 1st September, 1939. Frampol was destroyed on the 13th. Both had no military or industrial significance. The idea that it was the British who started bombing civilians is utterly ludicrous.

The inclusion of Berlin in his quote is also ridiculous; Berlin wasn't bombed until 1941, long after the Blitz had started.

To add to the Polish terror bombings: do you recognize this picture, 9/11-investigator? Are you aware that the Nazis threatened to bomb Utrecht, The Hague, Amsterdam as well, after that?

 

[Uninvolved]

The inclusion of Berlin in his quote is also ridiculous; Berlin wasn't bombed until 1941, long after the Blitz had started.

Try August, 1940.

 

[Uzzy]

London got hit on the 24th August. Berlin got hit on the 25th. But ddt was partially right, mainly as the RAF didn't have the ability to bomb Berlin in any sizeable way until 1941.

Having said that, the British Government only renounced the policy of not bombing civilian targets on the 15th of May, two days after the annihilation of Rotterdam. Unlike the Germans though, civilians were never deliberately targeted, although it was quite clear that the inevitable shift to night time area bombing would lead to such.

I think, surprisingly, Sir Arthur Harris said it best. "The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind."

 

[Toke]

Having said that, the British Government only renounced the policy of not bombing civilian targets on the 15th of May, two days after the annihilation of Rotterdam. Unlike the Germans though, civilians were never deliberately targeted, although it was quite clear that the inevitable shift to night time area bombing would lead to such.

My bolding.
I think you have overlooked a few firebombings/storms of german cities.
And i am pretty sure Churchil were naval minister and responsible for the quality of "Fortres Singapore"
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