9/11: How would you have done it?

[ZENSMACK89]

This is his quote that described exactly how the buildings collapsed? How does it do that, it's exactly the same as 5,000 other people, probably more, were saying. One of the engineers I speak to regularly was telling people this exact thing that day when they asked, does that mean he was involved too? Heck who didn't realise that the fires and impact had weakened the structure causing them to collapse? That was blatently obvious to a blindman.

Wow. So I guess NIST really is useless. Some had it all figured out before the somoke even cleared.

And you do realise that right after the second plane hit that 99% of the world's media was speculating that it was Osama behind it? You do realise that previous to 9/11 the major attacks against the US had been done by OBL? (Embasy Bombings, USS Cole) and that he'd released several declarations of Jihad against the US? You do realise that he was the prime suspect because he was the obvious suspect? You also are aware that Bush wanted to blame Iraq and tried very hard to convince his whitehouse team to pin it on Iraq?

Do you realize that not EVERYONE was asserting it was OSAMA. Hauer was one of the first and was actually responding to the assertion that it might be state sponsored.

Wow, so after a terrorist attack occurs, the top government officals are warned that it might be an idea to take a wide spectrum antibotic which is effective against most forms of biological attack. Amazing, I mean who would have thought that there was any possibility of a follow up attack with a biological agent after a terrorist attack. I mean that'd be totally unheard of.....

Warned by someone who worked in the very Gov labs the Anthrax was traced to and he worked with the guy who was a prime focus of the investigation.

 

[Fifediesel]

Wow. So I guess NIST really is useless. Some had it all figured out before the somoke even cleared.



Do you realize that not EVERYONE was asserting it was OSAMA. Hauer was one of the first and was actually responding to the assertion that it might be state sponsored.



Warned by someone who worked in the very Gov labs the Anthrax was traced to and he worked with the guy who was a prime focus of the investigation.

Please take this discussion to another thread.

 

[Par]

Kroll Inc., is a private investigation and security firm founded by Jules B. Kroll in 1972. The US government and the weapons industry is a major permanent contractor of the company. Kroll was responsible for security of the entire WTC site until it went down in the 9/11 attacks.

Kroll Inc. 900 THIRD AVE., New York, NY 10022 (212) 593-1000
http://www.kroll.com/
Ticker: KROL Exchange: NASDAQ Employees: 1,520

You can find most of it in Hauers bio on Wiki as well as John O'Neill’s, and Krolls history.

The Quotes are from CBS the morning of 9-11 when he was interviewed by Dan Rather.

Well, that’s simply the company’s corporate webpage. It doesn’t seem to confirm your claim. Can you link me to (or perhaps paste) an appropriate source?

 

[ZENSMACK89]

Well, that’s simply the company’s corporate webpage. It doesn’t seem to confirm your claim. Can you link me to (or perhaps paste) an appropriate source?

Why don't we cut to the chase PAR? Because all of this is easily looked up as I'm sure you already did. Why don't you just tell me what part is bull and which source is just a conspiracy site?

 

[ZENSMACK89]

Please take this discussion to another thread.

Why? I'm showing you how someone would not only do 9-11 but probably how the next one will come. Most likly a biological attack...

Cause of anthrax vaccine worker's death debated
Pentagon won't stop military vaccinations
CNN Archives
September 29, 2000
Web posted at: 7:21 a.m
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Pentagon said Thursday it would not suspend anthrax inoculations of military personnel despite the death of a worker at BioPort, the troubled company that is the nation's sole producer of the vaccine against anthrax, a deadly biological weapon.

Scientists' deaths are under the microscope
globeandmail.com
By ALANNA MITCHELL, SIMON COOPER AND CAROLYN ABRAHAM
COMPILED BY ALANNA MITCHELL
Saturday, May 4, 2002
It's a tale only the best conspiracy theorist could dream up.
Eleven microbiologists mysteriously dead over the span of just five months. Some of them world leaders in developing weapons-grade biological plagues. Others the best in figuring out how to stop millions from dying because of biological weapons. Still others, experts in the theory of bioterrorism.

Cities fret over how to quickly deliver vaccines
By Mimi Hall
USA TODAY
July 31, 2005
Jerome Hauer, who developed the nation's first bioterrorism plan, for New York City in the late 1990s, is critical of the federal government's efforts on bioterrorism preparedness. He says cities aren't getting enough guidance from Washington.

Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company
The New York Times
September 18, 2006 Monday
But Emergent officials capitalized on VaxGen's stumble. They had already gotten health agency officials to agree to buy five million doses of their vaccine to add to the stockpile. Now they began pushing for a much larger deal, possibly replacing VaxGen's vaccine altogether, company documents show. To lead its lobbying effort, which has cost more than $1 million since 2005, Emergent turned to Jerome M. Hauer, a top official at the health department until late 2003. While at the agency, he supported the push for a new vaccine. Now he was trying to persuade Congress and his former employer to buy the old vaccine.

Onetime Giuliani Insider Is Now a Critic
NYT
Russ Buettner
May 22, 2007
In recent days, Mr. Hauer has challenged Mr. Giuliani’s recollection that he had little role as mayor in placing the city’s emergency command center at the ill-fated World Trade Center.

BioPort now Emergent
Aug 15th 2007
Website
http://investors.emergentbiosolutions.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=202582&p=irol-emergentboard
Jerome Hauer Director
We manufacture BioThrax® (Anthrax Vaccine Adsorbed) at our facilities in Lansing, Michigan using well-established vaccine manufacturing procedures. In Lansing, MI…

Do you really think they're betting on investing all that time and money to never use the vaccine? What would it take to get the public to want an Anthrax vaccine?

 

[Par]

Why don't we cut to the chase PAR? Because all of this is easily looked up as I'm sure you already did. Why don't you just tell me what part is bull and which source is just a conspiracy site?

There’s no need to get quite so upset.

You’re right. I did look it up. However, I couldn’t find a reputable source for the information. So, I thought I’d ask you to provide me with one. Is that so unreasonable?

 

[PhantomWolf]

Wow. So I guess NIST really is useless. Some had it all figured out before the somoke even cleared.

So you really think that the sum total of what the NIST report says is that "planes hit the buildings at speed, the fire and impact caused the steel structure to weaken and collapse"? If so, what is the difference between the NIST report and the FEMA report because under your way of thinking they say exactly the same thing. I'd doubt that there were many people not thinking planes -> high speed impact -> big hot fires -> weakened structure -> collapse. And those few that weren't likely started the "Truth Movement".

Do you realize that not EVERYONE was asserting it was OSAMA. Hauer was one of the first and was actually responding to the assertion that it might be state sponsored.

Balony, I was watch live, the BBC newsdesk was speculating about Osama's involvement within about 10 mins of the second attack. The other major spectulation was that it was a group associated with the 1993 attackers. I didn't hear anyone trying to blame it on a foreign state until Bush tried to pin it on Iraq and Saddam.

Warned by someone who worked in the very Gov labs the Anthrax was traced to and he worked with the guy who was a prime focus of the investigation.

You mean a guy that worked in a lab studying biological warfare and how to combat it? Wow bigger surprise that he thought it was possible. Here's a pop quizz. If he was behind it then he'd know who was likely to be exposed. Since the Whitehouse West Wing wasn't targeted and thus they weren't likely to be exposed, why tell them to be on the antibotics?

 

[ZENSMACK89]

There’s no need to get quite so upset.

You’re right. I did look it up. However, I couldn’t find a reputable source for the information. So, I thought I’d ask you to provide me with one. Is that so unreasonable?

I'm not upset. Maybe I can help you. I don't know what you consider reputable? Does it have to be corporate? Politically offiliated? I think I told you CBS, WIKI, various sources where the story subject wasn't really about Hauer or Kroll they were just affiliated with it like the John O'Neill stories and the Anthrax investigation. Which part are you trying to confirm?

btw I don't really see how but if Fif still feels I've derailed everything I'll have to respect his wishes and stop here.

 

[Par]

I'm not upset. Maybe I can help you. I don't know what you consider reputable? Does it have to be corporate? Politically offiliated? I think I told you CBS, WIKI, various sources where the story subject wasn't really about Hauer or Kroll they were just affiliated with it like the John O'Neill stories and the Anthrax investigation. Which part are you trying to confirm?

I specifically cited the following claim on all three of the occasions that I asked you to provide for a source for it.

Kroll was responsible for security of the entire WTC site until it went down in the 9/11 attacks.

 

[hellaeon]

TAM:

Please! The phrase that was used was "Toss in (a) couple of dead Arabs for good measure."

Now regardless of context, suppose I were to say on this thread: "Toss in a couple of dead Jews for good measure", I am sure I would immediately be branded racist and anti-semitic.

These kinds of comments are TOTALLY uncalled-for about any nation, race or creed.

Now do you see my point?

I agree with you, I guess it could have been worded better such as 'Toss in a couple of dead people of known arab decent' or someting...

However I dont think it was done in the intent you mention. The media are good at this kind of twisting words game.

 

[PhantomWolf]

I specifically cited the following claim on all three of the occasions that I asked you to provide for a source for it.

Kroll was responsible for security of the entire WTC site until it went down in the 9/11 attacks.

Especially because most other CTs all claim that Securacom (later Stratesec), was the company in charge of the WTC.

BTW, the PAPD had officers that did secruity and John O'Neill was employed directly by Silverstein Properties, so what did Kroll do?

 

[ZENSMACK89]

I specifically cited the following claim on all three of the occasions that I asked you to provide for a source for it.

I got it from the WIKI of KROLL and John O'neill

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kroll_Inc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P._O'Neill

Kroll was who John O'neill was working for when he was killed on 9-11

 

[PhantomWolf]

Oh, you you don't think that it's possible that Jerome Hauer might have thought that Osama was involved due to the fact that he was a very close friend of John O'Neill, a man who's career in the FBI had been spend chasing OBL, and who the night before had gone to dinner with Hauer and a bunch of other friends, and in a discussion on OBL has said, "We're due. And we're due for something big. Some things have happened in Afghanistan. I don't like the way things are lining up in Afghanistan. I sense a shift, and I think things are going to happen." Asked when, he had replied, "I don’t know, but soon."

Might this conversation played any part in Hauer's thinking that OBL was involved when the US was attacked the very next day? possibly?

 

[T.A.M.]

Anyway, I will drop my beef on this issue to return to the topic at hand:

How to demolish WTC 1 & 2 with minimum chance of detection:
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his theory in here, deleted to save space
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The Towers would have collapsed pretty much "as observed" leaving no residues, wiring, fuses, etc. NIST would have completed its study pretty much as it did, and no one would be any the wiser....

I believe this theory, is the exact theory you brought here when you originally entered the land of the NISTIANS way back when, is it not Dr. Greening?

TAM

 

[Apollo20]

Viper Daimao:

The AP spiked material only needed to be installed in the Towers at the very end of the period 1995 - 2001. The chances of a serious fire on the affected floors in that period of time would be very small. Some floors could have also had fire supression systems (using Halon gas), installed as a precaution. These systems could have been deactivated days before the attack.

By the way, if you think about it, only about 4 people IN THE WORLD would have to be "in the loop" as to the details of this plan. You would need one top official at the WTC who made sure company X got the contract to spray on the insulation. One guy in company X to make sure formulation Y was supplied as the proprietary insulation "mix" and supervise its installation. One guy, (probably in the military somewhere), cooking up the AP spiked concoction and shipping it to a warehouse belonging to company X. And one guy to keep an eye on things and deactivate any fire supression systems in the Towers just before 9/11.

 

[ZENSMACK89]

Especially because most other CTs all claim that Securacom (later Stratesec), was the company in charge of the WTC.

BTW, the PAPD had officers that did secruity and John O'Neill was employed directly by Silverstein Properties, so what did Kroll do?

I'll have to go back and look but I think Securacom was like video security for the towers and KROLL was more of a day to day type security for the whole WTC complex. I also think it was claimed Securacom contract ran out on Sept 10th?

 

[PhantomWolf]

I got it from the WIKI of KROLL and John O'neill

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kroll_Inc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P._O'Neill

Kroll was who John O'neill was working for when he was killed on 9-11

No, he got the job through Kroll because Hauer recommeded him to Larry Silverstein who was looking for a new head of security as he'd just taken over the lease on the Twin Towers. O'Neill was employed by Silverstein Properties.

 

[ZENSMACK89]

Especially because most other CTs all claim that Securacom (later Stratesec), was the company in charge of the WTC.

BTW, the PAPD had officers that did secruity and John O'Neill was employed directly by Silverstein Properties, so what did Kroll do?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P._O'Neill

O'Neill started his new job at the World Trade Center in August 2001. (According to New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, "That Tuesday (9-11) was his first or second day on the job.") He was appointed by Kroll Associates, namely by the controversial managing director Jerome Hauer.

 

[ZENSMACK89]

No, he got the job through Kroll because Hauer recommeded him to Larry Silverstein who was looking for a new head of security as he'd just taken over the lease on the Twin Towers. O'Neill was employed by Silverstein Properties.

Ok. So then what did Kroll have to do with Silverstein?

 

[PhantomWolf]

I'll have to go back and look but I think Securacom was like video security for the towers and KROLL was more of a day to day type security for the whole WTC complex. I also think it was claimed Securacom contract ran out on Sept 10th?

That's from taking a quote out of context. The director stated that "the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center 'up to the day the buildings fell down.'" CT's have taken that to mean the contract ran out that day. The more obvious reason is that after the buildings fell down, there was no need for a continuing contract.