9/11: How would you have done it?

Apollo20 said:
Kage:

For your information Iraqis are not Arabs! This makes it all the more racist!
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15.6 million of Iraqis are Shiite arabs and 3.6 million Sunni arabs. This is not a racist remark. Whilst Iraq is not recognised as an "arab state" - 80% of the country is made up of arabs. It is nearly as "Arab" as Israel is "Jewish" so to speak.

Regardless, "arab" is not a racial category but rather a linguistic category. Black Africans in north Sudan speak arabic also.
 
Apollo20 said:
Sword of Truth:

When you glibly say "Toss a couple dead arabs in ... for good measure" I hope you realize this is a decidedly RACIST remark. I trust you will withdraw this comment and apologize for your indiscretion.
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No, I will not.

The OP asked us to come up with a scenario for a false flag attack that would enrage the public into accepting an aggressive military campaign against arab nations yet does not defy all sense of logic like 9/11 CTs do.

That's exactly what my proposed scenario does. Would you prefer that we have a couple dead norwegians found in the cab of the suicide gas bomb truck? How would that help foment war against arab nations?
 
Hyperviolet said:
15.6 million of Iraqis are Shiite arabs and 3.6 million Sunni arabs. This is not a racist remark. Whilst Iraq is not recognised as an "arab state" - 80% of the country is made up of arabs. It is nearly as "Arab" as Israel is "Jewish" so to speak.

Regardless, "arab" is not a racial category but rather a linguistic category. Black Africans in north Sudan speak arabic also.
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This is what I thought. I know that the Kurds aren't arab, and that they are many sects in Iraq that are not as well, but I assume that if you had wanted to blame Iraq, you would use Sunni Arabss given their position in the government and their cultural background regarding suicide bombers.

Kage
 
I'd have blown up, say, a half-dozen airliners in mid-air over major cities. And then I'd actually blame it on the people I wanted to attack! (as opposed to blaming it on Saudis and then attacking Iraq).

Apollo20 said:
Kage:

For your information Iraqis are not Arabs! This makes it all the more racist!
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You're thinking of Kurds, Apollo. Iraq is only 20% Kurdish. The rest are mostly Arabs.
 
Kage said:
This is what I thought. I know that the Kurds aren't arab, and that they are many sects in Iraq that are not as well, but I assume that if you had wanted to blame Iraq, you would use Sunni Arabss given their position in the government and their cultural background regarding suicide bombers.

Kage
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Yeah, you have the kurds who speak an Indo-European language which in Persian based and you have about 650,000 turkmen who speak an Alteic language which ive read is mongolian based.

The vast majority of Iraq is indeed, as you first suggested, arabic.
 
Ok, Nit-pick all you want -it remains a racist remark that is unfit for an educational forum.
 
using the word arab to describe someone is not racist...

saying "arabs are all terrorists" is a racist remark.

TAM:)
 
TAM:

Please! The phrase that was used was "Toss in (a) couple of dead Arabs for good measure."

Now regardless of context, suppose I were to say on this thread: "Toss in a couple of dead Jews for good measure", I am sure I would immediately be branded racist and anti-semitic.

These kinds of comments are TOTALLY uncalled-for about any nation, race or creed.

Now do you see my point?
 
ahhh that would be derogatory, but is it racist?

And now that you have clarified, I see your point...it was in poor taste...perhaps if we allow SOT to address this, we can get clarification.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
using the word arab to describe someone is not racist...

saying "arabs are all terrorists" is a racist remark.

TAM:)
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Claiming that Arabs live in caves and are too stupid to crash planes is also racist.
 
His extended quote was as follows:

Nerve gas bomb in a major population center right at peak traffic hours. Say lunch time on Wall Street right when everyone is heading to local eateries. Park a truck containing two or three artillery shells with Iraqi markings on them on the street and pop the lids. Toss a couple dead arabs with appropriate passports/ID in the cab of the truck for good measure.
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Reading this as a whole, it is clear to me that he was tongue in cheek with this, and likely was making comments as if he were the "super evil neocon cabal" planning the event, as the CTists would have you believe they do things...I think he was trying to show how callous and heartless the Neocon cabal is from the truther perspective...

TAM:)
 
Apollo20 said:
TAM:

Please! The phrase that was used was "Toss in (a) couple of dead Arabs for good measure."

Now regardless of context, suppose I were to say on this thread: "Toss in a couple of dead Jews for good measure", I am sure I would immediately be branded racist and anti-semitic.

These kinds of comments are TOTALLY uncalled-for about any nation, race or creed.

Now do you see my point?
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Apollo,
The word Arab does not refer to a race of people.
Is it a linguistic term. Like referring to "french speakers" would not be racist as you could be referring to people from France, Niger, Ivory Coast, Canada, Monaco or any Francophone country.

The sentence was maybe a bit loose, but not racist.
 
Apollo20 said:
TAM:

Please! The phrase that was used was "Toss in (a) couple of dead Arabs for good measure."

Now regardless of context, suppose I were to say on this thread: "Toss in a couple of dead Jews for good measure", I am sure I would immediately be branded racist and anti-semitic.

These kinds of comments are TOTALLY uncalled-for about any nation, race or creed.

Now do you see my point?
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So, what’s racist about saying “arabs” or “dead arabs” – or for that matter “jews” or “dead jews”?
 
Apollo20 said:
Ok, Nit-pick all you want -it remains a racist remark that is unfit for an educational forum.
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It is not racist to point out that in order to frame arabs for a fake suicide attack that one should also arrange for bodies of arabs to be found at the scene of said attack.

I am rapidly running out of ways to explain this to you. People who refuse to be educated are also inappropriate for an educational forum.
 
assuming i want to keep as close to the actual events of 9/11 as possible id take a few airliners, mock them up to look like iraqi (or iranian, or whoever your goat is) airlines and fly them from the atlantic toward the WTC, first one hits the tower, second one, following about 10 minutes behind, is shot down by fighter aircaft over deep water (its deep to prevent recovery of evidence)

at the same time a ship (possibly an oil tanker) registered (or cleveryly forged) to the iraqi (or iranian or whoever) government fires a scud missile at the pentagon from international waters, its shelled and sunk in deep water by the US navy

this gives the impression of a government-sanctioned military attack being carried out with civilian equipment, giving the excuse for war and reason to enact new laws to oppress the civilian population, shooting down the second plane shows that the military is able to protect the people (to retain faith in the government) but laws to allow prevention of further attacks are preferable
 
I don't see anything racist about it, or about the jews one given the context. Perhaps a little unPC, but this whole thread was started on a rather un-PC macabre topic.

first one hits the tower, second one, following about 10 minutes behind, is shot down by fighter aircaft over deep water
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I think it would be better if you wanted the deep water to have it a bit more than 10 mins behind. Also more believable for interception to shoot it down. Say 30 mins-45 mins behind.
 
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