Hello everyone,
I got to this forum after watching the Zeitgeist movie because I was curious about any opinions and of course discussions related to that matter.
First of all, I've gotta say that I am kind of disappointed, which is why i registered my own account. To all of the 'debunkers' here, this seems to be a great hobby. Instead of discussing theories and certain ideas, people are being mocked and all the replies they get on the things they post into this forum are unnecessary comments like 'Do I really need to watch that crap or are the first 5 minutes sufficient?'
Seriously, if you have anything to say, just do so... But I don't see the point of commenting on things you didn't even take a look at.
So. Anyway, when I read the postings on this website, since it was the first hit on google, I wanted to know what JREF is. Funny fact, it's an educational foundation. Mocking people like that without even taking a look at what the present doesn't sound that educated to me.
So, why am I writing this? I have some questions myself and I don't want any wannabee-educated-debunker replying on this without considering anything I post here.
But well, sorry about the long introduction, I'll cut to the chase now.
Here in germany we don't get too many of those conspiracy theories, because we ignore most of the ones coming from the united states... Most of them are not based on anything but crazy ideas, so most of this gets kind of filtered.
But there are still some things that get through, such as the 'Zeitgeist' movie and 'September Clues'.
1.) Nobody ever gave any reply on the question, as to how it is possible, that the beams of the WTC were cut in a certain way you're only going to find it, if a building was demolished on purpose. I saw the pictures in the newspaper and there is absoutely no way this could be happened by accident.
Let's just say the steel structure was weakend by the intense heat of the 'jet fuel'. It was not entirely weakened all across the building. So how is it possible that the building collapses along it's own axis, where the steel structure is most powerful? Try to break a steel bar. You might be able to bend it with a lot of power. Put try to break it pushing along the axis of the steel bar. All the theories and explanations I read on '911myths' and 'debunking911.com' and similar pages don't seem to have any structural engineer working on that (yes, I did read who it was from, but he is obviously not considering all the details), regardless of the formulas and drawings on those sites... There is no possible way for the columns and beams to fail simultaneously. And lets say it was just one giant physical coincidence... But twice? No way. I read a lot about the tube in a tube design and all those little details that we have to pay attention to. But the structure along its axis with all the concrete would have probably caused the building to tumble and fall at a certain point. But not for it to collapse into its own footprint. I know it didn't exactly do that... But a collapsing building, ALSO one with a tube in a tube design, needs to have structural damage all over it, not only in the top floors. And even under the weight of the top floors this would have looked differently. At least their would be more left of the steel core itself.
So much about that.
2.) Please visit www<dot>brasschecktv<dot>com<slash>page<slash>108<dot>html
(sorry about the format. Forum won't allow me to post links otherwise.)
and watch the first video. This guy is a video editor from Norway with more than 20 years of experience in video editing. Now please, be so kind and answer the following questions to me:
How is it possible, that the plane appears black in the shot? And don't come up with ideas like the sun being behind the object. Take a close look and you'll see that it is supposed to be white. For the people who insist that it is the sun being behind the object, you could explain to me why the plane appears black from both sides.
On one of the other 'authentic' videos, you can see the 'plane' crash into the WTC. The wings appear white, although we're standing right underneath it.
Well... There are several other videos and there's an audio analysis... There's even a nice cover-up for an incoming object that is hard to spot... But I cross-checked all these things shown in the analysis with the tapes I have at home, which are several years old.
There's one very interesting aspect about the undamaged nose of the plane and a probable explanation for that. I really want to see you 'debunk' this.
Watch it and PLEASE, be objective this time. I am not the kind of guy who jumps upon any kind of CT ********, but this stuff is pretty obvious and the images are real. So take a close look and give me an opinion.
Regards from germany.
Andreas
I got to this forum after watching the Zeitgeist movie because I was curious about any opinions and of course discussions related to that matter.
First of all, I've gotta say that I am kind of disappointed, which is why i registered my own account. To all of the 'debunkers' here, this seems to be a great hobby. Instead of discussing theories and certain ideas, people are being mocked and all the replies they get on the things they post into this forum are unnecessary comments like 'Do I really need to watch that crap or are the first 5 minutes sufficient?'
Seriously, if you have anything to say, just do so... But I don't see the point of commenting on things you didn't even take a look at.
So. Anyway, when I read the postings on this website, since it was the first hit on google, I wanted to know what JREF is. Funny fact, it's an educational foundation. Mocking people like that without even taking a look at what the present doesn't sound that educated to me.
So, why am I writing this? I have some questions myself and I don't want any wannabee-educated-debunker replying on this without considering anything I post here.
But well, sorry about the long introduction, I'll cut to the chase now.
Here in germany we don't get too many of those conspiracy theories, because we ignore most of the ones coming from the united states... Most of them are not based on anything but crazy ideas, so most of this gets kind of filtered.
But there are still some things that get through, such as the 'Zeitgeist' movie and 'September Clues'.
1.) Nobody ever gave any reply on the question, as to how it is possible, that the beams of the WTC were cut in a certain way you're only going to find it, if a building was demolished on purpose. I saw the pictures in the newspaper and there is absoutely no way this could be happened by accident.
Let's just say the steel structure was weakend by the intense heat of the 'jet fuel'. It was not entirely weakened all across the building. So how is it possible that the building collapses along it's own axis, where the steel structure is most powerful? Try to break a steel bar. You might be able to bend it with a lot of power. Put try to break it pushing along the axis of the steel bar. All the theories and explanations I read on '911myths' and 'debunking911.com' and similar pages don't seem to have any structural engineer working on that (yes, I did read who it was from, but he is obviously not considering all the details), regardless of the formulas and drawings on those sites... There is no possible way for the columns and beams to fail simultaneously. And lets say it was just one giant physical coincidence... But twice? No way. I read a lot about the tube in a tube design and all those little details that we have to pay attention to. But the structure along its axis with all the concrete would have probably caused the building to tumble and fall at a certain point. But not for it to collapse into its own footprint. I know it didn't exactly do that... But a collapsing building, ALSO one with a tube in a tube design, needs to have structural damage all over it, not only in the top floors. And even under the weight of the top floors this would have looked differently. At least their would be more left of the steel core itself.
So much about that.
2.) Please visit www<dot>brasschecktv<dot>com<slash>page<slash>108<dot>html
(sorry about the format. Forum won't allow me to post links otherwise.)
and watch the first video. This guy is a video editor from Norway with more than 20 years of experience in video editing. Now please, be so kind and answer the following questions to me:
How is it possible, that the plane appears black in the shot? And don't come up with ideas like the sun being behind the object. Take a close look and you'll see that it is supposed to be white. For the people who insist that it is the sun being behind the object, you could explain to me why the plane appears black from both sides.
On one of the other 'authentic' videos, you can see the 'plane' crash into the WTC. The wings appear white, although we're standing right underneath it.
Well... There are several other videos and there's an audio analysis... There's even a nice cover-up for an incoming object that is hard to spot... But I cross-checked all these things shown in the analysis with the tapes I have at home, which are several years old.
There's one very interesting aspect about the undamaged nose of the plane and a probable explanation for that. I really want to see you 'debunk' this.
Watch it and PLEASE, be objective this time. I am not the kind of guy who jumps upon any kind of CT ********, but this stuff is pretty obvious and the images are real. So take a close look and give me an opinion.
Regards from germany.
Andreas
