Merged 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread
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You can usually tell the fake ones because of their lack of understanding and mis-use of technical terms, odd vagueness in their claims, and repeated use of tired mantras such as:
"Steel structures can't collapse due to gravity alone."
"No steel structure has ever collapsed due solely to an office fire"
"We need an independent investigation!"
"9-11 was an inside job!"
I think I've spotted a couple of recent examples.
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Are you "absolutely positive" about this, bill?
And you know this how?
You've never asked me this.
You don't know who I am.
Yet you know that I have no published papers?
You'd also be wrong.
Are you "absolutely positive" about this, bill?
JOM clearly disagrees.
Expected by whom.
Who is it - exactly - that you think that you speak for?
And we've all seen how reliable THAT is ...
Real engineers aren't "interested". Or "focussed" (sic). For real engineers, this question was answered years ago.
Heiwa (HAH!), Tony Sz (I don't know Tony well enough to mock him. He may be an ernest person who is simply & completely wrong) and you (HAHAHA!!) have the ability to go over Bazant's "answer" right now. His answer lies in his original work.
Feel free to get you your comb, and see if it has ANY teeth left in it. Give me your assessment of exactly what you feel that he got wrong.Oh, the heck with it. What am I thinking...
You say the cutest things, you little munchkin...
tom
Yeah....I'm looking forward to this. If Bazant declines to answer or even delays unreasonably we will make a great big deal out of it of course. And if he DOES answer it will be instructive to see how a silk purse may be made out of a sow's ear. Make no mistake....this time thousands of engineers will scrutinise every word. But you already know this
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Yes, good guesses, I agree with them.
But since there is an overwhelming majority of sane people here I* tend to take people at face value, unless they really act out of character.
*And you I presume
Sorry, Heiwa and Tony are failures at structures and if Heiwa has a paper in a journal it will expose him to real engineers as a fraud. This is an example you and Heiwa need to see and understand you and Heiwa are the frauds like this fool.
http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/D25 WTC Discussions Replies.pdf
Too bad you don't do engineering and Heiwa is not able to comprehend this example of being wrong.
A W Smith
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I'm looking forward to Bazant reading THIS
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/
February, 2009: Richard Gage's Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth out-does itself:
We've seen the staggeringly ignorant and outright bizarre nonsense spewed by Gage and the "experts" whose opinions he promotes. Is Björkman's promotion by AE911Truth another fallacious appeal to authority, or has he done some sensible analysis of the events of 9/11? Bjorkman posts as "Heiwa" on the JREF forum:Björkman claims that no planes hit the Twin Towers or the Pentagon or crashed near Shanksville, which makes him a rarity even among the most delusional "truthers": a quadruple no-planer.
Björkman claims that all evidence of the aircraft impacts is fake and all witness accounts are invalid. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again.
Björkman claims that if 30 stories of one of the Twin Towers was dropped on the lower 80 stories from a height of two miles, it would bounce off without damaging the lower portion. And again.
Björkman says a Tower wouldn't be destroyed if a 60-million-pound block of ice was dropped on it, then denies making that claim.
Björkman claims that all photo and video evidence showing severe fires and structural failure in the WTC buildings is fake. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again.
Björkman claims that WTC 7 was demolished by a vacuum.
Björkman believes that the authors of the NIST WTC reports don't exist.
Björkman believes that steel structures are indestructible, even by nuclear weapons. And again. And again. However, Björkman also believes that 16,500-22,000 lbs of high explosives may have been used to demolish each Twin Tower...with no detectable detonations.
Björkman is an engineer who believes that weight = mass. No, really.
Björkman believes his house would survive an asteroid impact.
Björkman again attempts to revise the laws of physics.
Björkman says a bathroom scale will register the same weight whether you stand on it or jump on it.
Björkman says the Twin Tower fires were "minor office fires."
Björkman makes the egregiously false claim that the FDNY said it could handle the fires in the Towers.
Björkman believes that columns become stronger when their supports are removed.
Björkman believes that the structures of the Twin Towers were comparable to cheese, pizza boxes, match boxes, rubber balls, sponges, a bicycle running into a wall, a child jumping on a bed, a tower of sushi, and a tower of lemons.
Björkman has been nominated for the JREF forum "Stundie," an award for the looniest conspiracist statement of the month, far more times than anyone, and has been voted the "winner" several times. His avoidance of mountains of facts and expertise, his complete ignorance of the most basic engineering concepts, and his insistence that special laws of physics apply in his world, are perhaps surpassed only by the inimitable Judy "Star Wars Beams" Wood. Read about the errors he makes in his website paper here.
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Obama: “I am aware that some question or justify the events of 9/11,”
“'' I am aware that some question or justify the events of 9/11,” he said, speaking before a red curtain and six pairs of U.S. and Egyptian flags. “But let us be clear: al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 people on that day''
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23334.html
“'' I am aware that some question or justify the events of 9/11,” he said, speaking before a red curtain and six pairs of U.S. and Egyptian flags. “But let us be clear: al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 people on that day''
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23334.html
and the truth movement "making a great big deal out of it" will bother this world renowned scientist, how? You are assuming to much me thinks.
but good luck with the "big deal".
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Oh god please tell me nobodies stundied this... Please tell me this one's still free!!! Pretty please! I'll even give bill teh props for showing the "stundiliciousness"
You have chosen to apologize for terrorists and make up delusions; and you left out the rest of the story to cherrypick what you thinks supports your disrepectful stance of failed opinins and stupid ideas on 911.
Your delusions were smacked down by our president. The presidential slap-down.
The terrorist took credit and your anti-intellectual delusion is exposed by the terrorists you try to apologize for.
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A W Smith
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that's right B S
There's a lot more than 400 structural steel connections failing when WTC reached its terminal velocity of about 114 mph. That's approximately the last fourteen floors in one second. That's 120 truss connections to the perimeter columns. Possibly another 120 to the core via the two way trusses at the corners and simple spans. the core column simple beam connections. perhaps 150. then the bridging trusses which i wouldnt even hazard a guess. that's for one floor. At a minimum thats 5600 connections failing for 14 floors at one second duration. Gage cannot grasp the scale and the momentum of that thus his argument from ignorance. Yes B S, we all know how much you love ignorance.
There's a lot more than 400 structural steel connections failing when WTC reached its terminal velocity of about 114 mph. That's approximately the last fourteen floors in one second. That's 120 truss connections to the perimeter columns. Possibly another 120 to the core via the two way trusses at the corners and simple spans. the core column simple beam connections. perhaps 150. then the bridging trusses which i wouldnt even hazard a guess. that's for one floor. At a minimum thats 5600 connections failing for 14 floors at one second duration. Gage cannot grasp the scale and the momentum of that thus his argument from ignorance. Yes B S, we all know how much you love ignorance.
TJM
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Momma?
So, you make 5 statements. Each of them wrong. I point out that each of them are wrong. You make no correction or withdrawal, but blithely, idiotically blather on with a NEW heaping of nonsense.
Your responses are incredibly predictable. And frivolous.
Oh, yawwwnnnn...
What else is new? You guys have been attempting to make great big deals out of every random tidbit of fact & fantasy for 8 years now. And you've been failing. As reliably as the day following night.
This version of Bazant's work first appeared in May, 2007. Over 2 years ago. And in all this time, your group of "experts" have produced nothing but tripe. And now, Heiwa has his little morsel.
You say the cutest things, munchkin.
What are you mumbling about?
"This time..."?? Bazant's papers have already been "scrutinized" by hundreds to thousands of engineers.
And, of the 100 total structural and mechanical engineers that you claim in ae911, probably less than 5 can understand it. This lack of competence in the others is exactly what brought them to Gage in the first place.
Your responses are incredibly predictable. And frivolous.
Oh, yawwwnnnn...
What else is new? You guys have been attempting to make great big deals out of every random tidbit of fact & fantasy for 8 years now. And you've been failing. As reliably as the day following night.
This version of Bazant's work first appeared in May, 2007. Over 2 years ago. And in all this time, your group of "experts" have produced nothing but tripe. And now, Heiwa has his little morsel.
You say the cutest things, munchkin.
What are you mumbling about?
"This time..."?? Bazant's papers have already been "scrutinized" by hundreds to thousands of engineers.
And, of the 100 total structural and mechanical engineers that you claim in ae911, probably less than 5 can understand it. This lack of competence in the others is exactly what brought them to Gage in the first place.
TJM
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Well mom raised me right then. Who said it? Aldo?
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