9/11 Conspirators - Naming Names, List included

[T.A.M.]

Brent Scowcroft?
karl Rove?
The Pope?

TAM

 

[pomeroo]

Who was the acting, principal military advisor to the president on 9/11?

Barney was responsible for 9/11?

 

[JimBenArm]

Barney was responsible for 9/11?

Wait, you mean it's not Laura?

 

[Firestone]

Michael Hayden?

What a silly guessing game!

 

[Drudgewire]

Barney was responsible for 9/11?

Fred's all broken up about. Hasn't yabba dabba'ed in weeks, much less done any dooing.

 

[Locknar]

Who was the acting, principal military advisor to the president on 9/11?

I never heard of "Who was the acting, principal military advisor to the president on 9/11", unless you are refering to Dr Who.

Just more of your silly "woo woo"/"Truther" guessing games.

 

[HawksFan]

I thought Who was on first?

 

[stilicho]

To be consistent with the "Northwoods" canard, the one and only person responsible in MIHOP would have to be the US president. JFK is lionized by the CT community for not "signing off", although their example is four decades old and didn't involve any actual deaths of American citizens.

LIHOP allows for planes, "patsies", and almost every element of what we have evidence for. LIHOP is a lazy man's way out. All you have to do is say it's "nobody in particular" who "let it happen".

 

[MIKILLINI]

Who was the acting, principal military advisor to the president on 9/11?

You are saying it's Richard Myers who LIHOP? The one who served in the Air Force for 40 years?
4 Defense Distinguished Service Medals
Distinguished Service Medal Legion of Merit
19 Distinguished Flying Cross Air Medals
Sure Redibis..sure.
ETA: He won the Presidential medal of freedom, also.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

From a strictly LIHOP POV, I suggest that TAM left an important figure off the list. I said that this person was most in a position to thwart the attacks but neglected the responsibility. I won't indulge these attempts to get me to accuse someone of murder.

Wait, so do you think someone in the government was responsible, or not? If not, this discussion is moot. If so, it's a crime not to report it. Why would you not want to report it?

And I was specific about my challenge to TAM, even though he decided to address his challenge to "truthers," which is beneath him. If he or anyone else knows their research, it should not be hard to name a very prominent official who neglected his responsibilities on 9/11 and arguably, could be charged with very serious crimes.

Again, if it's not hard to do, then why is it so hard for you to do?

There is a strange lack of input from our resident "truthers/agnostics". Not one has come here to declare a single person on that list as part of the "inside job". The closest is A-Train suggesting Chertoff be added to the list.

Am I surprised...no...disappointed, a little.

Very cowardice to point fingers, but not name names...if 9/11 inside job were so important, why no names?

TAM

Here's something I've been wondering about. Why do they call themselves "truthers"? There seems to be a distinct hesitation for them to be truthful, particularly when it comes to naming names. Isn't purposely concealing the name of a criminal kind of going against the truth?

Wouldn't they be better off calling themselves "questioners" or something? This is a serious question.

The thing is Jews are the ones that make themselves controversial by being the Chosen Ones according to the Bible. In the world today with the creation of Israel there is cause for concern as well as one's loyalty comes into question as I have repeatedly remarked and which you have continued to ignore.

I find it ironic that non-Jews (in particular, those with anti-Semitic tendencies) tend to make a much bigger deal out of the whole "Chosen people" thing than Jews themselves do.

To tell a family secret; my grandmother was Dutch...

De camptown ladies sing dis song......

You're right, and perhaps you are owed an apology. I will not answer such a question as "who was in on it." I choose to submit an individual who neglected his responsibility with such negligence as to deserve criminal charges. I stated from the start that I'm approaching this from a strictly LIHOP POV.

My first posts in this thread made it clear that I'm approaching this from that POV. I will not fall for the debunking trap of proclaiming "who did it!" Although more boring, I prefer to discuss who willingly neglected his responsibilities, allowing the attacks to occur.

Make up your mind!!

Trust me, I won't make this a game, ...

Too late! You won't make this a game, but you'll drop hints, issues challenges and promise "to reveal it shortly".

Why shortly? Why not now?

 

[MIKILLINI]

Fred's all broken up about. Hasn't yabba dabba'ed in weeks, much less done any dooing.

Wilma is freakin out.

 

[RedIbis]

You are saying it's Richard Myers who LIHOP? The one who served in the Air Force for 40 years?
4 Defense Distinguished Service Medals
Distinguished Service Medal Legion of Merit
19 Distinguished Flying Cross Air Medals
Sure Redibis..sure.
ETA: He won the Presidential medal of freedom, also.

Finally, someone who knows some basic information.

It is ironic that Myers was given the medal of freedom considering what he was doing on 9/11.

He was the acting chairman, the point man for the military and he didn't want to be disturbed from his meeting with Senator Max Cleland, which is worthy of investigation and charges not of conspiracy, but extreme negligence

We can thank Paul Thompson for the links and quotes:

"According to his own account, Air Force General Richard Myers, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, sees reports of the first WTC crash on television. Myers is acting chairman of the US military during the 9/11 crisis because Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Army General Henry Shelton is flying across the Atlantic for a NATO meeting in Europe. [ABC News, 9/11/2002; American Forces Press Service, 9/8/2006] Myers has a 9 o’clock appointment with Senator Max Cleland (D) in one of the Senate office buildings. He is heading into this meeting and sees a television in Cleland’s outer office showing the burning North Tower, with the commentator suggesting it has been hit by an airplane. [MSNBC, 9/11/2002] Myers later recalls, “They thought it was a small plane or something like that.” [Armed Forces Radio And Television Service, 10/17/2001; American Forces Press Service, 10/23/2001] He says, “And we’re standing around saying, ‘What in the world happened?’ I remember the day being beautiful. I said, ‘How could a pilot be that stupid, to hit a tower? I mean, what’—but then you think, ‘Well, whatever.’” So he goes ahead and walks into the meeting, and is with Cleland at the time the second tower is hit (see (Shortly After 9:03 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Council on Foreign Relations, 6/29/2006] On several occasions, Cleland will confirm that Myers had this meeting with him. [US Congress, 9/13/2001; CNN, 11/20/2001; Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 6/16/2003] But counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke seems to contradict this account. He claims that, when he joins a video teleconference shortly after arriving at the White House, he sees Myers on screen, indicating that Myers is at the Pentagon rather than with Cleland (see (9:10 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Clarke, 2004, pp. 1-3]
Entity Tags: Max Cleland, Richard B. Myers, Richard A. Clarke, Henry H. Shelton
Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline, 9/11 Timeline
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=richard_b._myers

 

[stilicho]

OK, so Myers "let it happen"...for what purpose? What did Myers need or do after "letting it happen" that wouldn't have happened if he hadn't?

Was the medal the "OP" purpose in "LIHOP"?

 

[DavidJames]

Finally, someone who knows some basic information.

It is ironic that Myers was given the medal of freedom considering what he was doing on 9/11.

He was the acting chairman, the point man for the military and he didn't want to be disturbed from his meeting with Senator Max Cleland, which is worthy of investigation and charges not of conspiracy, but extreme negligence

You haven't answered any of my questions

Please provide detailed and specific evidence of the above, at a minimum please provide what specific information did this person have and when they had it. Please show evidence the person was in possession of such information. Surely you have it at your fingertips otherwise I'm sure you wouldn't say he "neglected his responsibility with such negligence as to deserve criminal charges".

Thanks.

 

[Locknar]

Finally, someone who knows some basic information.

It is ironic that Myers was given the medal of freedom considering what he was doing on 9/11.

He was the acting chairman, the point man for the military and he didn't want to be disturbed from his meeting with Senator Max Cleland, which is worthy of investigation and charges not of conspiracy, but extreme negligence

We can thank Paul Thompson for the links and quotes:

"According to his own account, Air Force General Richard Myers, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, sees reports of the first WTC crash on television. Myers is acting chairman of the US military during the 9/11 crisis because Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Army General Henry Shelton is flying across the Atlantic for a NATO meeting in Europe. [ABC News, 9/11/2002; American Forces Press Service, 9/8/2006] Myers has a 9 o’clock appointment with Senator Max Cleland (D) in one of the Senate office buildings. He is heading into this meeting and sees a television in Cleland’s outer office showing the burning North Tower, with the commentator suggesting it has been hit by an airplane. [MSNBC, 9/11/2002] Myers later recalls, “They thought it was a small plane or something like that.” [Armed Forces Radio And Television Service, 10/17/2001; American Forces Press Service, 10/23/2001] He says, “And we’re standing around saying, ‘What in the world happened?’ I remember the day being beautiful. I said, ‘How could a pilot be that stupid, to hit a tower? I mean, what’—but then you think, ‘Well, whatever.’” So he goes ahead and walks into the meeting, and is with Cleland at the time the second tower is hit (see (Shortly After 9:03 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Council on Foreign Relations, 6/29/2006] On several occasions, Cleland will confirm that Myers had this meeting with him. [US Congress, 9/13/2001; CNN, 11/20/2001; Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 6/16/2003] But counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke seems to contradict this account. He claims that, when he joins a video teleconference shortly after arriving at the White House, he sees Myers on screen, indicating that Myers is at the Pentagon rather than with Cleland (see (9:10 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Clarke, 2004, pp. 1-3]
Entity Tags: Max Cleland, Richard B. Myers, Richard A. Clarke, Henry H. Shelton
Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline, 9/11 Timeline
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=richard_b._myers

What exactly do you think the Chairman of the JCS does? What military authority do you think they, or the JCS in general, have?

 

[beachnut]

Finally, someone who knows some basic information.

It is ironic that Myers was given the medal of freedom considering what he was doing on 9/11.

He was the acting chairman, the point man for the military and he didn't want to be disturbed from his meeting with Senator Max Cleland, which is worthy of investigation and charges not of conspiracy, but extreme negligence

We can thank Paul Thompson for the links and quotes:

"According to his own account, Air Force General Richard Myers, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, sees reports of the first WTC crash on television. Myers is acting chairman of the US military during the 9/11 crisis because Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Army General Henry Shelton is flying across the Atlantic for a NATO meeting in Europe. [ABC News, 9/11/2002; American Forces Press Service, 9/8/2006] Myers has a 9 o’clock appointment with Senator Max Cleland (D) in one of the Senate office buildings. He is heading into this meeting and sees a television in Cleland’s outer office showing the burning North Tower, with the commentator suggesting it has been hit by an airplane. [MSNBC, 9/11/2002] Myers later recalls, “They thought it was a small plane or something like that.” [Armed Forces Radio And Television Service, 10/17/2001; American Forces Press Service, 10/23/2001] He says, “And we’re standing around saying, ‘What in the world happened?’ I remember the day being beautiful. I said, ‘How could a pilot be that stupid, to hit a tower? I mean, what’—but then you think, ‘Well, whatever.’” So he goes ahead and walks into the meeting, and is with Cleland at the time the second tower is hit (see (Shortly After 9:03 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Council on Foreign Relations, 6/29/2006] On several occasions, Cleland will confirm that Myers had this meeting with him. [US Congress, 9/13/2001; CNN, 11/20/2001; Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 6/16/2003] But counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke seems to contradict this account. He claims that, when he joins a video teleconference shortly after arriving at the White House, he sees Myers on screen, indicating that Myers is at the Pentagon rather than with Cleland (see (9:10 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Clarke, 2004, pp. 1-3]
Entity Tags: Max Cleland, Richard B. Myers, Richard A. Clarke, Henry H. Shelton
Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline, 9/11 Timeline
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=richard_b._myers

wow, you post junk from a do nothing 9/11 truther. Cooperative-research just post junk, who cares what it means, and who cares if some is wrong. And you have posted nothing, because we did not do it, the terrorist did it. When you figure out how to understand 9/11 maybe you can help understand how to stop ignorance that makes people kill other people for other people. 9/11 was the terrorist fault. Next time you have an accident try to blame others, cause it seems like you are as responsible as Myers is for 9/11 since you offers zero proof you did not warn the world some terrorist were going to cut pilot throats, and take the planes and kill people. It is your fault, and now you help spread ignorance on 9/11, you are at fault directly on this one.

I love how you present the 9/11 truth junk fact site information and make up conclusion based on woo. Since you did not warn the world and us of the attack on 9/11, it is your fault.

The web site author you posted from is so proud he has information on 9/11 but he posts errors and then people use the errors to fabricate lies on9/11. He has the famous 600 mph stuff on the accident 707 WTC design, which makes his data on that off in energy 10 times. An error made at an order of magnitude is significant and he does not do research, it is NOT cooperative research, it is a list of junk collected on 9/11, right and wrong, but not research, these are note cards with errors and junk. If you use knowledge and judgment using his pile of junk, you can make rational conclusion of 9/11; you have failed.

I use his web site but it is worthless for your conclusion. You have failed to make a point and failed to place blame. The terrorist decide to kill people and used the fact we still treated hijacking as a wait and see game; we were wrong; we should have killed all hijackers on sight! Since you offered zero warning on 9/11, I have to say you are at fault. I knew we were at risk, but never thought I would see what the terrorist did on 9/11, because I do not think like a sociopath like the terrorist and it seems you excepted 9/11 by placing blame on our government, I guess you did not take to heart what JFK said, "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country", and you failed to heed that, BUT the Passengers of flight 93 were heroes and their profiles of courage stopped the terrorist! But you take 6 years and you are blaming others, the passenger on flight 93 solved the puzzle in minutes, you are still baffled after 6 years; pathetic research, lack of knowledge, lack of what, why are you not as good as the passengers on flight 93? Why?

 

[Reheat]

It is ironic that Myers was given the medal of freedom considering what he was doing on 9/11.

He was the acting chairman, the point man for the military and he didn't want to be disturbed from his meeting with Senator Max Cleland, which is worthy of investigation and charges not of conspiracy, but extreme negligence

If this weren't so pathetic it would be funny. This illustrates how little you know about how the military operates and what sort of control Myers had for something like 9/11.

I'll compare it to a 911 (Dial a Prayer) call to the Police for the victim of a violent attack with a gun or knife. The Police arrive on the scene in time to make chalk marks on the floor and arrange for transportation of the body to the morgue.

That's similar to the control that Myers had for what happened on 9/11. Only difference he was Assistant Chief of Police, but acting as Chief on the fatal day.

You have no clue what you're talking about.

ETA: The Tech Sergeant at NEADS talking on the phone to CheapShot at Boston ARTCC had more control over the military response to 9/11 that did Gen Myers no matter where he was located.

 

[beachnut]

If this weren't so pathetic it would be funny. This illustrates how little you know about how the military operates and what sort of control Myers had for something like 9/11.

I'll compare it to a 911 (Dial a Prayer) call to the Police for the victim of a violent attack with a gun or knife. The Police arrive on the scene in time to make chalk marks on the floor and arrange for transportation of the body to the morgue.

That's similar to the control that Myers had for what happened on 911. Only difference he was Assistant Chief of Police, but acting as Chief on the fatal day.

You have no clue what you're talking about.

ETA: The Tech Sergeant at NEADS talking on the phone to CheapShot at Boston ARTCC had more control over the military response to 9/11 that did Gen Myers.

Stop telling the truth, it may melt the truther.

 

[stilicho]

This should be the point where RedIbis says: "Ooops...I don't know what I'm talking about...sorry for wasting your time with a four-page guessing game for nothing."

In a universe solely ruled by reason, that is.

 

[T.A.M.]

ah....I had Shelton on the list. I will admit, I had forgotten Myers was acting Chair on 9/11, so with that position on my list filled with Shelton, it had slipped.

Oh well. Given I am Canadian, I think I can be excused.

TAM