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9/11 Conspiracy Road Trip

The account of the cute chubby girl is here, worth reading.

Interesting....I'll have to watch it...

Two quick points:

1. There is a site called "911 truth news"? ROFL ROFL As they say about blogging...."Never before have so many with so little to say said so much to so few"

2. So basically this guy took 5 complete retards and tried to wake them up from the slumber of retardation.....sounds like it might be amusing.
 
I watched this thing yesterday. What I find interesting is that Emily in the link above doesn't mention Charlie Veith with one word. I'd like to hear her opinion about him. I got the impression that he was the guy who "led the group" and caused a lot of trouble on that trip, not the irish clown hired by the BBC. He already has his own thread here as the famous british "truther" who changed his mind after this trip. Apparently he leads some "Love Police" fake opposition group. Obvious shill, as far as i'm concerned. You can see him playing a role if you watch closely. Interesting show to watch.
 
I watched this thing yesterday. What I find interesting is that Emily in the link above doesn't mention Charlie Veith with one word. I'd like to hear her opinion about him. I got the impression that he was the guy who "led the group" and caused a lot of trouble on that trip, not the irish clown hired by the BBC. He already has his own thread here as the famous british "truther" who changed his mind after this trip. Apparently he leads some "Love Police" fake opposition group. Obvious shill, as far as i'm concerned. You can see him playing a role if you watch closely. Interesting show to watch.

I just wonder what was in it for Alice Hoagland to appear in such a show,

PS Does Charlie post here ? What's his handle ?
 
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*Snip* Obvious shill *Snip*

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This is the part when you can remove all doubt that the person you are interacting with is mentally ill with delusions of grandeur and paranoia....

Say it again CE.....say it again.....

Call someone a "shill".....please do it....it's pure comedy gold......
 
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This is the part when you can remove all doubt that the person you are interacting with is mentally ill with delusions of grandeur and paranoia....

Say it again CE.....say it again.....

Call someone a "shill".....please do it....it's pure comedy gold......

Charlie Veitch is an obvious Shill.
 
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This is the part when you can remove all doubt that the person you are interacting with is mentally ill with delusions of grandeur and paranoia....

Say it again CE.....say it again.....

Call someone a "shill".....please do it....it's pure comedy gold......


And you seriously think that I haven't anticipated this reaction? Or care? It's time to call a spade a spade again.
 

Non UK residents can view the complete show on You Tube here.

The show was interesting as far as reality shows go because of the premise. I got the feeling, however, that the conversion of Charlie Veitch, the one truther of the five who "turned," was, while sincere, somewhat calculated (by Veitch, not the BBC) for effect.

Some background on Veitch from this article in Slate.

Charlie Veitch is a 31-year-old British anarchist living in London. On 9/11, he happened to be on vacation in Thailand and remembers watching a TV in a beachside bar as the towers burned. He cut his trip short and soon took a job in the City, London's Wall Street. He did not encounter his first 9/11 conspiracy theory, he says, until 2006, when he watched Alex Jones' TerrorStorm, which describes a history of alleged false-flag terror attacks and then makes the case that 9/11 was such an event. Veitch was instantly hooked. He started to watch all of the he could find on the Internet, which turns out to be quite a few.

In 2009, Veitch lost his job. By then he had started occasionally posting videos to YouTube of himself and friends heckling Scientologists or breaking out into song during the "People's Question Time" with London Mayor Boris Johnson. After losing his job, Veitch started making the guerilla videos on a full-time basis and launched an activist group called the Love Police devoted to "confronting the authority state" in the United Kingdom.

Nineteen days after starting the Love Police, Veitch caught the attention of Alex Jones with a video of himself being confronted by police officers after trying to film the U.S. Embassy in London. Jones invited Veitch onto the show to discuss what they described as the U.K. police state, and Veitch became an occasional guest. Veitch's site gained a following, which in turn allowed him to solicit enough donations to afford to pay the rent. He also started appearing occasionally on Russia Today, the Russian-sponsored propaganda TV network that traffics heavily in conspiracy theories. In June 2010, Veitch was arrested while doing his provocateur thing at the G-20 summit in Toronto, and he was arrested again the day before the royal wedding in April on suspicion of "conspiracy to cause a public nuisance." He remained a relatively minor figure in the 9/11 conspiracy world.

Nowadays it seems an "anarchist" is someone who engages in public stunts designed to gain maximum media attention. Veitch conversion to reality (at least on the question of 9/11 CTs), while injurious to his income stream, has done wonders for his public profile. It might even land him a paying, if not lucrative, day job on some fringe media outlet. As far as paying the rent in the meantime, I assume he can always go back on the dole.
 
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I watched this thing yesterday. What I find interesting is that Emily in the link above doesn't mention Charlie Veith with one word. I'd like to hear her opinion about him. I got the impression that he was the guy who "led the group" and caused a lot of trouble on that trip, not the irish clown hired by the BBC. He already has his own thread here as the famous british "truther" who changed his mind after this trip. Apparently he leads some "Love Police" fake opposition group. Obvious shill, as far as i'm concerned. You can see him playing a role if you watch closely. Interesting show to watch.

Weird how he doesn't become an "obvious shill" and none of you could see him playing an "obvious role" when he was in the cult, it was only when he leaves your cult that suddenly it's so "obvious"...

Just like the person that leaves a religion, they say that it was "obvious" that they were never a "true believer" and that they were in league with whatever their boogieman is.
 
Weird how he doesn't become an "obvious shill" and none of you could see him playing an "obvious role" when he was in the cult, it was only when he leaves your cult that suddenly it's so "obvious"...

Just like the person that leaves a religion, they say that it was "obvious" that they were never a "true believer" and that they were in league with whatever their boogieman is.


Never heard of the guy before. :con2:
 
Weird how he doesn't become an "obvious shill" and none of you could see him playing an "obvious role" when he was in the cult, it was only when he leaves your cult that suddenly it's so "obvious"...

Just like the person that leaves a religion, they say that it was "obvious" that they were never a "true believer" and that they were in league with whatever their boogieman is.

The cookie-cutter, knee-jerk response to Veitch's apostasy is one reason why truthers, like all true believers are, when they are not merely pathetic, so tedious and predictable.

Of course Veitch is a shill, a plant and disinfo agent! How could he not be! I bet the whole thing was a set up by the BBC! It's a conspiracy, I tells ya, a conspiracy!

My own take is that Veitch's change of heart is sincere, if somewhat calculated (see my post above). Veitch own rationale from the Slate article previously quoted:

By the third day of actually speaking with people he had believed responsible for covering up mass murder, Veitch was starting to believe he was wrong about 9/11. "After meeting all of these alleged conspirators that were supposed to be in on it, I realized they were normal family men," Veitch said. "There wasn't anything conspiratorial about them." It was when he questioned a demolitions expert atop the rebuilt World Trade Center 7 that he finally changed his mind about 9/11.

"It's not so much a matter of technical evidence, it's more of a change in mindset that I've had," Veitch said. "Going from a paranoid mindset to a less paranoid mindset."
 
Quotes From Chairman Veitch

Some interesting quotes from Veitch in the recent Slate series on 9/11. (The entire series is well worth reading, btw). I like that "conspiranoia' coinage of his. Veitch was obviously the brightest bulb in that gang of five assembled by the BBC... which I realize is not saying much. :D

There's so many people with so much of a vested political and psychological interest in maintaining, what I call the 'Conspiranoia,' view of the world—that there are these demons just behind the scenes where we can't see, running everything,...

There's something about it which appeals to the ego in people," ... "You suddenly feel empowered by having secret knowledge.

In order to maintain the bubble of the conspiracy, it needs to get more demonic, and it needs to include more people,"... "You need more and more evil until you hit the wall of absurdity.

http://www.slate.com/id/2302853/
 
Some interesting quotes from Veitch in the recent Slate series on 9/11. (The entire series is well worth reading, btw). I like that "conspiranoia' coinage of his. Veitch was obviously the brightest bulb in that gang of five assembled by the BBC... which I realize is not saying much. :D

I have to say that Charlie the Truther looks like a construct from what you have written. Maybe designed to infiltrate the Truth Movement. His star seemed to rise more quickly than his actions would have warrented.
 
I watched this thing yesterday. What I find interesting is that Emily in the link above doesn't mention Charlie Veith with one word. I'd like to hear her opinion about him. I got the impression that he was the guy who "led the group" and caused a lot of trouble on that trip, not the irish clown hired by the BBC. He already has his own thread here as the famous british "truther" who changed his mind after this trip. Apparently he leads some "Love Police" fake opposition group. Obvious shill, as far as i'm concerned. You can see him playing a role if you watch closely. Interesting show to watch.

The conspiracy can always expand. Anything that is not part of the original crime is part of the coverup.

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That's an interesting quote, Walter. In the dark ages (which these people apparently wish to return to..) superstition ruled and people believed in evil spirits which lurked everywhere.

The 'conspiranoid' is the same superstitious mind operating in the fog of the internet-enhanced urban legend. Your darkest fear is confirmed by a website somewhere within easy reach, 24/7.
 
That's an interesting quote, Walter. In the dark ages (which these people apparently wish to return to..) superstition ruled and people believed in evil spirits which lurked everywhere.

The 'conspiranoid' is the same superstitious mind operating in the fog of the internet-enhanced urban legend. Your darkest fear is confirmed by a website somewhere within easy reach, 24/7.

I liked this quote.

"It's not so much a matter of technical evidence, it's more of a change in mindset that I've had," Veitch said. "Going from a paranoid mindset to a less paranoid mindset."

A little (very little) paranoia can keep you alive. The odd thing about truther paranoia is that they believe they are living in a crypto police state with the FEMA concentration camps stocked and ready for business yet they go about their daily lives as if... they live in a democratic society where their civil rights and liberties are guaranteed by law. Bizarrely, this seems to create no cognitive dissonance at all.
 
And you seriously think that I haven't anticipated this reaction? Or care? It's time to call a spade a spade again.

Anticipated? I'm sure you have since I'm not the first to point out and mock the insanity.....

Care? People who are nuts typically don't mind being called so because they don't realize they are nuts....
 

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