Merged 8.8 quake in Sendai, Japan

[Bluespaceoddity]

It didn't risk damaging the reactor. How hard is this DC? The reactor (and containment area) are safe, were safe and will be safe so long as nothing really really really serious happens. The roof of the building the reactor and containment areas are in blew off. That's it.

Had they vented directly, the radiation levels would have spiked due to the exceptionally short half-life radiation released, which would have caused panic. Venting into the building meant that they had the chance to vent outside when the radiation had gone, or had the chance to cause a minor and fairly safe explosion.

That isn't accurate either. The explosions were not controlled to that extent, they resulted in loss of life and injury of the workers and could have damaged the containment of reactors 1 and 3 while there is still uncertainty whether or not they damaged certain parts of 2. That's why at 19:00 (JST) JAIF lists "Containment Integrity" for reactor 2 as "Suspected Damaged".
http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/news_images/pdf/ENGNEWS01_1300189582P.pdf

Still INES level 4 so no need to exaggerate in either direction when telling this story.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

That isn't accurate either. The explosions were not controlled to that extent, they resulted in loss of life and injury of the workers and could have damaged the containment of reactors 1 and 3 while there is still uncertainty whether or not they damaged certain parts of 2. That's why at 19:00 (JST) JAIF lists "Containment Integrity" for reactor 2 as "Suspected Damaged".

Still INES level 4 so no need to exaggerate in either direction when telling this story.

I thought the only death was the crane related one?

Either way, it's true that I could have made a mistake, I'm not an expert nor do I claim to be, but I'd say that the truth is still a far cry from DC's apparent beliefs.

 

[Christian Klippel]

and btw, what is your source that they did not vent the building to prevent fearmongering? source?

Sorry, but i'm not going to spoon-feed you with information and links to more information that has been posted in the threads here multiple times. Just put away your TV remote for once, and start reading the links (and follow-up links in them) that have been posted already.

If you want to stay ignorant then this is your choice. Just don't expect to be taken seriously then.

 

[DC]

Sorry, but i'm not going to spoon-feed you with information and links to more information that has been posted in the threads here multiple times. Just put away your TV remote for once, and start reading the links (and follow-up links in them) that have been posted already.

If you want to stay ignorant then this is your choice. Just don't expect to be taken seriously then.

haha, in other words, you just made it up and have no clue. LOL

telling

 

[DC]

I thought the only death was the crane related one?

Either way, it's true that I could have made a mistake, I'm not an expert nor do I claim to be, but I'd say that the truth is still a far cry from DC's apparent beliefs.

what do you believe my believes are? more made up crap coming from JREFers?

geting boring

 

[MarkCorrigan]

haha, in other words, you just made it up and have no clue. LOL

telling

Yes DC, that's exactly what he said

 

[Bluespaceoddity]

I thought the only death was the crane related one?

Either way, it's true that I could have made a mistake, I'm not an expert nor do I claim to be, but I'd say that the truth is still a far cry from DC's apparent beliefs.

Yes, it is. I'm just trying to get back to the middle ground. Far too many good sources have been added to this thread to have it disintegrate into a polarized shouting match where certain people will stop contributing ... . Picked your post fairly randomly.

 

[DC]

Yes DC, that's exactly what he said

i knew that, thanks anyway.

 

[Belz...]

evidence for your claims

LOL this is getting so laughable....

you guys make up crap as you go along..... but then cry about media outlets ROFLMAO

Considering your humble beginnings as a truther, yourself, you might want to reevaluate your certainty.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

what do you believe my believes are? more made up crap coming from JREFers?

geting boring

Well, as far as I can tell, you seem to be of the opinion that this really is a major, earth shattering catastrophe. I'm sure you don't believe all the crap the media are spinning out there, but you certainly seem to think that this is going to lead to nuclear material being spewed into the air and contaminating multiple countries for months.

Your continual references to Chernobyl suggest that you think birth defects and radiation poisoning, along with a significantly increased risk of cancer are likely in the surrounding area if not further, and that you are of the belief that this is a persistent danger with nuclear power.

Care to tell me where I'm wrong?

 

[DC]

Considering your humble beginnings as a truther, yourself, you might want to reevaluate your certainty.

nope, not in that case lol.

 

[DC]

Well, as far as I can tell, you seem to be of the opinion that this really is a major, earth shattering catastrophe. I'm sure you don't believe all the crap the media are spinning out there, but you certainly seem to think that this is going to lead to nuclear material being spewed into the air and contaminating multiple countries for months.

Your continual references to Chernobyl suggest that you think birth defects and radiation poisoning, along with a significantly increased risk of cancer are likely in the surrounding area if not further, and that you are of the belief that this is a persistent danger with nuclear power.

Care to tell me where I'm wrong?

well the earthquake and tsunami are surely a major, earth shattering catastrophe..... i dont know about you, but for me it is, yes.
the nuclear plants sofar are only minor problems compared to the whole situation, non the less it is a dangerous one that could get our of controll.

im not crying, turn of nuke plants, nor am i one of those that keep dreaming, its all fine and well......

 

[Christian Klippel]

Yes DC, that's exactly what he said

Yeah... It's really sad to see how many people have a built-in kill switch in their brains that turns of rational thinking and the ability to seek information, as soon as they hear the word "nuclear".

As i mentioned some posts ago, you should see what a field day the anti-nuclear people have here in Germany right now, and how immune they are to _any_ kind of argument that does not 100% fit their own preconceptions.

Quite frankly, these people are abusing the death and suffering of thousand of people to further their own agenda. And in a pretty disgusting way at that.

Greetings,

Chris

 

[DC]

Yeah... It's really sad to see how many people have a built-in kill switch in their brains that turns of rational thinking and the ability to seek information, as soon as they hear the word "nuclear".

As i mentioned some posts ago, you should see what a field day the anti-nuclear people have here in Germany right now, and how immune they are to _any_ kind of argument that does not 100% fit their own preconceptions.

Quite frankly, these people are abusing the death and suffering of thousand of people to further their own agenda. And in a pretty disgusting way at that.

Greetings,

Chris

still no source......

storyteller? nice story you made up, how about a source?

 

[Bluespaceoddity]

still no source......

storyteller? nice story you made up, how about a source?

What exactly do you want to have confirmed at this point?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

....
but here on JREF some wannabe experts claim, oph its nothing....... the media is fearmongering etc etc. laughable.

I usually hate to go with the 'truth must be somewhere in between', but I find it frustrating that any reasonable discussion or attempt to discuss the actual problems with this reactor event, current and future, is bullied off the thread as 'in with the fear mongerers'.

Japan has very little land mass and a large population. The risk of losing any significant amount (PLEASE NOTE: I DID NOT SAY THIS IS HAPPENING OR WOULD HAPPEN) of land mass to radioactive particulates is worse because of that geographical fact.

The levels of radioactivity going down suggests it's being diluted. At the moment, the risk seems to be only in a very small area around the plants. But now there are 4 reactors out of 6 at the site with definite 'issues' and the other 2 at the facility are reported to be having trouble as well. At some point those radioactive particulates begin to accumulate in the surrounding areas. To dismiss that as not a risk, not likely, not Chernobyl, yadda yadda, doesn't address the real problem. It only says what the problem is not. So when does it become a problem?

That doesn't mean I'm fear mongering. It doesn't mean I'm over reacting. It doesn't mean I think people are going to die or get cancer from the exposure. It just means I have a question. That's it, a friggin question.


Also, the dust plume that had low levels of radioactive particulates wasn't harmful on the skin because it could be readily washed off. But the people in the path of the dust plume would also have breathed a small amount of the dust in. That dust (very little would reach the lungs unless it was really fine particulates) ends up in the nose, mouth and gut. So the half life of the active particles would mean the radiation exposure would accumulate as the particulates worked their way through the intestines. Without knowing the amount inhaled, it's hard to calculate the risk. I'd like to know if the reports on the amount of radiation exposure (same as a month's worth or one Xray or one flight, whatever) included a calculation for what would have been inhaled.

That doesn't mean I'm fear mongering. It doesn't mean I'm over reacting. It doesn't mean I think people are going to die or get cancer from the exposure. It just means I have a question. That's it, a friggin question.



This Reuter's news report from yesterday seems to have a level headed discussion of the current status of the reactors: Analysis: Nuclear plant's steel shell faces unprecedented test

Most experts are confident the unit can hold, even in the event of a full-scale meltdown.

Still, the design has been tested only once: at the Three Mile accident in 1979. Conditions are far worse at the Fukushima plant

...Operator Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO) said fuel rods at the No. 2 reactor had been fully exposed when water levels keeping them cool suddenly dropped....

Pumping seawater into the core ... operators must release an almost equal amount of radioactive gas into the next containment structure to equalize the pressure.

That gas will contain radioactive particles and hydrogen, which can explode when mixed with oxygen. ...

"The primary containment building, the steel vessel surrounding the reactor, can cope with a full core meltdown," said Professor Mark Prelas, Professor of Nuclear Engineering at the University of Missouri.

DISASTER SCALE

Concern over conditions at the No. 2 reactor were heightened on Monday after Japan's nuclear safety agency failed to give it a classification on the accepted international scale for nuclear events. Units 1 and 3 were rated at a 4 on the 7-step scale; Unit 2 was conspicuous by its absence.

France's nuclear safety authority said the accident could be classified as a level 5 or 6 on the scale, putting it on par with the 1979 U.S. Three Mile Island meltdown.

 

[Christian Klippel]

still no source......

storyteller? nice story you made up, how about a source?

Read the threads here and follow the links. It's all there for anyone to see.

But then, you basically already admitted that you only want to rely on information that the regular media feeds to you, and that you do not want to look at information outside of that.

Unless you start thinking for yourself and seek information by yourself, please continue to make yourself the laughing stock here. We surely can make good use of a laugh here and there.

 

[MattusMaximus]

i didnt even read your strawmen further than the first line.
i freaking know that it was essential to release the pressure........

lauter Klugscheisser hier.....

Obvious troll is obvious

Folks, I suggest no longer wasting any time on DC. There are plenty of others here asking legitimate questions looking for legitimate answers.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

I usually hate to go with the 'truth must be somewhere in between', but I find it frustrating that any reasonable discussion or attempt to discuss the actual problems with this reactor event, current and future, is bullied off the thread as 'in with the fear mongerers'.

Japan has very little land mass and a large population. The risk of losing any significant amount (PLEASE NOTE: I DID NOT SAY THIS IS HAPPENING OR WOULD HAPPEN) of land mass to radioactive particulates is worse because of that geographical fact.

The levels of radioactivity going down suggests it's being diluted. At the moment, the risk seems to be only in a very small area around the plants. But now there are 4 reactors out of 6 at the site with definite 'issues' and the other 2 at the facility are reported to be having trouble as well. At some point those radioactive particulates begin to accumulate in the surrounding areas. To dismiss that as not a risk, not likely, not Chernobyl, yadda yadda, doesn't address the real problem. It only says what the problem is not. So when does it become a problem?

That doesn't mean I'm fear mongering. It doesn't mean I'm over reacting. It doesn't mean I think people are going to die or get cancer from the exposure. It just means I have a question. That's it, a friggin question.


Also, the dust plume that had low levels of radioactive particulates wasn't harmful on the skin because it could be readily washed off. But the people in the path of the dust plume would also have breathed a small amount of the dust in. That dust (very little would reach the lungs unless it was really fine particulates) ends up in the nose, mouth and gut. So the half life of the active particles would mean the radiation exposure would accumulate as the particulates worked their way through the intestines. Without knowing the amount inhaled, it's hard to calculate the risk. I'd like to know if the reports on the amount of radiation exposure (same as a month's worth or one Xray or one flight, whatever) included a calculation for what would have been inhaled.

That doesn't mean I'm fear mongering. It doesn't mean I'm over reacting. It doesn't mean I think people are going to die or get cancer from the exposure. It just means I have a question. That's it, a friggin question.



This Reuter's news report from yesterday seems to have a level headed discussion of the current status of the reactors: Analysis: Nuclear plant's steel shell faces unprecedented test


DISASTER SCALE

Asking questions and worrying about what's going to happen are fine. Have a look at how Thunder was treated earlier in this thread (his thread was merged into this one).

It's just that DC keeps bringing up totally inconsequential things, and branding us as liars. THAT is why he's getting short shrift.

 

[MattusMaximus]

still no source......

storyteller? nice story you made up, how about a source?

Try reading my blog post on the matter - it's full of sources. Of course, I'm posting this for the benefit of the lurkers, as DC will likely dismiss it.