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Ed 737 Max Crashes (was Shutdown caused Boeing crash.)

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Boeing was planning to make software revisions for the 737 Max in January that might have prevented the Ethiopian Airways crash that killed 157 people. But regulatory approval was delayed by the 35-day U.S. government shutdown.

According to the WSJ, US officials have also blamed part of the delay on this year’s government shutdown — saying it halted work for at least five weeks.
https://nypost.com/2019/03/12/boeing-to-update-737-maxs-after-delaying-changes-for-months/

Thanks, Donald!
 
Premature since they haven't officially determined the cause of the accident yet, but:
The updates — which involve multiple sensors, or data feeds, being rolled out into the MAX’s stall-prevention system in place of its current single-sensor setup — were ordered up in the wake of the deadly Lion Air crash in Indonesia last October and were originally planned for early January.
 
OK, say the OP is true, shouldn't Boeing have grounded the planes until the issue was addressed?

Not that I'm unwilling to blame Trump for contributing to the problem.
 
Nonetheless, there are a very limited number of things that can cause an airliner to autonomously pitch nose-down during climb-out.

Have they determined that happenned in the recent crash?

I'm not doubting, I just hadn't seen that.

Ethiopian plane smoked and shuddered before deadly plunge (Reuters)

GARA-BOKKA, Ethiopia (Reuters) - The Ethiopian Airlines plane that crashed killing 157 people was making a strange rattling noise and trailed smoke and debris as it swerved above a field of panicked cows before hitting earth, according to witnesses.
Half a dozen witnesses interviewed by Reuters in the farmland where the plane came down reported smoke billowing out behind, while four of them also described a loud sound.

“It was a loud rattling sound. Like straining and shaking metal,” said Turn Buzuna, a 26-year-old housewife and farmer who lives about 300 meters (328 yards) from the crash site.

“Everyone says they have never heard that kind of sound from a plane and they are under a flight path,” she added.

Malka Galato, 47, a barley and wheat farmer whose field the plane crashed in, also described smoke and sparks from the back. “The plane was very close to the ground and it made a turn... Cows that were grazing in the fields ran in panic,” he said.

Tamirat Abera, 25, was walking past the field at the time. He said the plane turned sharply, trailing white smoke and items like clothes and papers, then crashed about 300 meters away.

“It tried to climb but it failed and went down nose first,” he said. “There was fire and white smoke which then turned black.”
 
Blaming Trump for what looks like, but is yet to be proven Boeing's gross lack of safety by not self grounding the planes.....

Left field, but predictable.
 
I reckon in about 5 years there will be a new "Law", slightly similar to Godwin's involving Trump.

Cullennz's Law - All threads on bad things will inevitably blame Trump for the bad thing, not matter how fragile the reasoning.

................................ Five years timed for when he gets turfed from the presidency


(Put that last sentence in there just to wind people up)
 
I am reminded of all the witnesses who absolutely swore every way up that they saw a missile strike TWA800.

Eye witnesses to airline crashes, especially those who have no aviation experience, are often not reliable.

Agreed. But it suggests at least the possibility of another explanation.

They have both black boxes and if there was a bomb on board I assume that the forensic examiners will find evidence of it. We just have to wait for them to piece together the evidence.
 
Agreed. But it suggests at least the possibility of another explanation.



They have both black boxes and if there was a bomb on board I assume that the forensic examiners will find evidence of it. We just have to wait for them to piece together the evidence.
The airframe, especially the vertical stabilizer, experiences a great deal of stress in stall/dive conditions. It's possible they were successfully getting control of the aircraft, but sustained structural damage in doing so that proved fatal.

With the body sitting so low, does this model have any issues with tail strikes that may weaken the rear bulkhead?
 
Yeah, I don't really see this as being Trump's fault. It's Boeing's responsibility to put out safe products. It sucks that the FAA didn't realize the full extent of the problem, but I put the any blame solely on Boeing.
 
Yeah, I don't really see this as being Trump's fault. It's Boeing's responsibility to put out safe products. It sucks that the FAA didn't realize the full extent of the problem, but I put the any blame solely on Boeing.

yeah, but for pure insurance reasons, it makes a difference.
 
Real problem is the 737 Max is just a crappy plane.

There is old engineering saying "If something looks wrong, it probably is". The 737 Max just plain looks wrong.
 
Yeah, it's Trumps fault. It cannot possibly be operator error.

Well, if Boeing was planning essential software revisions that were delayed by the shutdown, that certainly raises some questions, doesn't it? Under what circumstances should the autopilot prevent the pilot from taking control of the plane?
 
Boeing 737 MAX: The Latest Example of a Passive DOT

Thirty-five Congressional mandates sit unanswered, on everything from minimum seat space to secondary barriers protecting cockpits. The top job at the Federal Aviation Administration has been open for 14 months. Enforcement fines against major U.S. airlines have dropped 88% in the past two years, even as three-hour tarmac delays have more than doubled.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-737-max-the-latest-example-of-a-passive-dot-11552409944
 

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