• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Ed 737 Max Crashes (was Shutdown caused Boeing crash.)

theprestige said:
I think your answer is not a good answer, and I tried to explain why I think that.


This has been addressed. Boeing's current management is being greedy, because they're in the grip of a misguided mindset about the nature of Boeing's business and how to profit from it.


Possibly for some people it is. I think in this case, a lot of Boeing's current quality problems can be traced not to axiomatic greed, but to a specific culture of greed and ignorance that was cozened at McDonnell-Douglas, and brought to Boeing in the merger much like a fecal transplant - but not the good kind.
Click to expand...

Not even at McD-D, but at GE by Jack Welch. His practices have destroyed not only Boeing, but McDonnell, Douglas, 3M, and GE itself.
 
theprestige said:
The first option, and it's not even close. And even so, the board has incentive.
Click to expand...

no, it hasn't.

the Board got rich running the company into the ground. It got rich as machines started to crash. It still gets tons of money.

And if we put in MORE money to fix their mess, lots of that money will again go to the board, not engineers.

Why are you so naïve to think that a problem that was caused by the rational application of Capitalism can be fixed by capitalism?
Or are you calling for Boeing to be nationalized?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
no, it hasn't.

the Board got rich running the company into the ground. It got rich as machines started to crash. It still gets tons of money.

And if we put in MORE money to fix their mess, lots of that money will again go to the board, not engineers.
Click to expand...
Who's we? Corporations go through bad patches of mismanagement all the time. Some of them recover on their own, some don't. Boeing's board is welcome to figure it out, and has incentives to do so. It's almost always better to let a functioning company figure it out, than to step in, smash them up, and hope that the various disconnected parts and hoped-for entrepreneurs will fill the gap in a suitable and timely manner.

Also, if your idea is to throw public money at the problem, you're just as likely to get a miserable pile of worthless grifters posing as "entrepreneurs" as you are to get Neo-Boeing. No, it's better to leave Boeing to the pressures of the market, than to try to step in and "fix" their problems by fiat and threat of force.

Besides, the government has its own escape hatches for this sort of thing. If Boeing can't deliver F-35s, the government can compel them to let other aerospace companies take over the contract. Or just let the contract lapse, and go with a different company next time. Another incentive for Boeing's board to figure it out.
 
theprestige said:
Besides, the government has its own escape hatches for this sort of thing. If Boeing can't deliver F-35s, the government can compel them to let other aerospace companies take over the contract. Or just let the contract lapse, and go with a different company next time. Another incentive for Boeing's board to figure it out.
Click to expand...

F-35 is a Lockheed product.
 
This is a video by Petter Hörnfeldt (of the Youtube channel Mentour Pilot), that is peripherally relevant to the issues being discussed in this thread. In it he talks about one of the problems that could really damage the aviation industry, the lack of skilled aircraft mechanics and engineers - a problem it seems, that is destined to get worse in the future, and one that definitely has impacted both manufacturers and airlines.

Its 20 minutes, and well worth the watch for anyone interested in aviation. His discussion and conclusions ring true with me, and I think they will do the same for posters such as Trebuchet, Pope130, beachnut al, who, like myself, have been involved in the aviation industry.

 
Another whistleblower comes forward.

New Boeing whistleblower alleges faulty parts 'likely installed' on planes, risking 'catastrophic event'

The revelations from current Boeing employee Sam Mohawk, a quality assurance investigator at a production facility in Renton, Washington, come as the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations is set to question Boeing CEO David Calhoun Tuesday afternoon on alleged safety concerns linked to the aircraft maker’s manufacturing practices.

"New whistleblower and current Boeing employee, Sam Mohawk alleges that Boeing is improperly documenting, tracking, and storing parts that are damaged or otherwise out of specification, and that those parts are likely being installed on airplanes," the subcommittee said in a statement Tuesday.
Click to expand...

Seems like he would be in the position to know.
 
Here's a pretty complete analysis as to theWhy of the MAx from the Mentour Pilot channel.


And some speculation as to the future.
 
rjh01 said:
There is nothing new in the video. It is a summary of what has happened to Boing that has caused it to fail.
Click to expand...
Right, nothing new. He did correctly identify Jack Welch as being the root cause.
Interesting seeing a couple of clips of Alan Mullaly right at the end. He never got his shot at being CEO on account of being "too old" (about 63, IIRC) but then after Phil the Idiot got fired they brought back Stonecipher, who was 70 or so. Mullaly went to Ford and turned the company around.
 
rjh01 said:
There is nothing new in the video. It is a summary of what has happened to Boing that has caused it to fail.
Click to expand...
Of course there's nothing new in it. I'm sure the makers pulled everything out of the public domain.

There were, however, things of which I was not aware. For example, I had no idea that they were pushing financial risk on to their suppliers and were dong little to ensure that the suppliers were meeting quality goals.

A video is not bad just because you personally already knew everything in it.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom