3 dead in central Fresno shooting spree

[phiwum]

It was a tweet, unprofessionally done, but not a published full article. Did they make the same error in any published article?

I'm not forgiving the error, but there must be a difference in copyediting tweets versus articles.

 

[bytewizard]

It was a tweet, unprofessionally done, but not a published full article. Did they make the same error in any published article?

I'm not forgiving the error, but there must be a difference in copyediting tweets versus articles.

In AP's full, non-Twitter article, they stated he shouted "God is Great" in Arabic.

 

[phiwum]

In AP's full, non-Twitter article, they stated he shouted "God is Great" in Arabic.

Thank you. That makes the error much worse. Many eyes must have seen that before publication.

 

[baron]

'Allahu Akbar' doesn't even mean 'God is Great', it means 'Allah is the greatest'. So they not only got the language wrong, the only word they got right in the translation was 'is'.

 

[Civet]

CNN has some more details. Apparently "he said he is Muslim, but prays to seven different gods" according to police. They also say he practices voodoo and hasn't been to a mosque in 25 years. His album is still on Amazon under the name B-God Mac Sun.

 

[marplots]

CNN has some more details. Apparently "he said he is Muslim, but prays to seven different gods" according to police. They also say he practices voodoo and hasn't been to a mosque in 25 years. His album is still on Amazon under the name B-God Mac Sun.

So he was a religious man then?

 

[Civet]

So he was a religious man then?

Delightfully religious. On his twitter feed he threatens "IF OUR DEMAND OF REPARATIONS & SEPARATION NOT ADDRESSED BY FRIDY, THE NATURAL DISASTERS INCREASES 88X". Apparently wants something like $17 trillion and the US Virgin Islands. Some sort of sorcerous extortion. Guess shooting people was a back-up plan. Directs a lot of his tweets at Harris Faulkner for some reason. Can't imagine he was a fan of hers. She and her loved ones are probably very lucky that this piece of work wasn't organized and skilled enough to target her personally.

 

[Aepervius]

Is it the AP's job to report the news as it actually happened, or to translate any non-English words included in the story? If a translation is needed for clarity, why not report what he actually said, with an added translation, just like AP News has on their website right now. Stupidity for sure, malice?

They did after a correction. You are pretty much asking they get it right the first time, as if such thing never happen in a hurry to report (ETA in a tweet!).

In other word you ask perfection no less 100% of the time.

 

[Aepervius]

'Allahu Akbar' doesn't even mean 'God is Great', it means 'Allah is the greatest'. So they not only got the language wrong, the only word they got right in the translation was 'is'.

Allah, being like God, as far as I know both the translation and the title, not a name, it is therefor correct to translate it by God is Great (the greatest being a nitpick, because since "there is no other gods".... and no "sets" to be the greastest from....).

 

[theprestige]

They did after a correction. You are pretty much asking they get it right the first time, as if such thing never happen in a hurry to report (ETA in a tweet!).

In other word you ask perfection no less 100% of the time.

All I ask is that we repudiate the notion that it's important to tweet the news.

If CNN were to prioritize not beclowning itself on Twitter in its rush to publish unedited copy, that would avoid the problem almost entirely.

 

[baron]

Allah, being like God, as far as I know both the translation and the title, not a name, it is therefor correct to translate it by God is Great (the greatest being a nitpick, because since "there is no other gods".... and no "sets" to be the greastest from....).

Things are like other things and words look similar to other words, that doesn't mean you can randomly mix and match and come up with something that makes sense.

To specify 'greatest' is certainly not a nitpick unless you don't understand what's being said, which you appear not to. In general use, 'greatest' doesn't refer to any other gods, it refers to literally everything in existence. Therefore, Allah reigns over everything. When extremists use it as a battle cry it also means 'my god is better than your god'.

 

[William Parcher]

Seems to be extremely weak evidence that there is an active organized conspiracy going on inside the Associated Press.

 

[ahhell]

Seems to be extremely weak evidence that there is an active organized conspiracy going on inside the Associated Press.

One man's editorial choice is another man's conspiracy. It is an odd choice though.

 

[Aepervius]

Things are like other things and words look similar to other words, that doesn't mean you can randomly mix and match and come up with something that makes sense.

Actually, there is a reason it is conjugated and is not Allah, but Allahu, that's because it is not nominatif but rather substantif. That plainly justify what I said.

To specify 'greatest' is certainly not a nitpick unless you don't understand what's being said, which you appear not to. In general use, 'greatest' doesn't refer to any other gods, it refers to literally everything in existence. Therefore, Allah reigns over everything. When extremists use it as a battle cry it also means 'my god is better than your god'.

Not really. Extremist don't believe there are other gods. As I said the great greatest is a nitpick because by definition as a monotheist god, it is the most greatest encompassing thing. In this case it is a magnification, which adds nothing grammatically for the sense of the expression. It is a symbol of worship like somebody would say Amen, or interject God help me, or "Gott im Himmel" or "jesus christ which is lord over all thing" (or whatever).

This is why people of all origin, extremist or not, use it in time of distress or prayer.

This has nothing to do whatsoever about comparing to other gods.

Your definition makes as much sense as theist saying atheist reject gods but in reality accept it in their heart or such crap. From a moslem perspective, there is no other gods but Allah. From a Jew perspective (at least a believer) there has not been other god than Yhwh for the last few thousands years (it is a tad bit different if you dig in the past enough). From a christian perspective there is only the God of the bible (so Yhwh too).

If you don't understand the concept of "magnification" in religion, and think this is about comparing to other religion... You have completely missed the point of the sentence.

 

[baron]

Actually, there is a reason it is conjugated and is not Allah, but Allahu, that's because it is not nominatif but rather substantif. That plainly justify what I said.



Not really. Extremist don't believe there are other gods. As I said the great greatest is a nitpick because by definition as a monotheist god, it is the most greatest encompassing thing. In this case it is a magnification, which adds nothing grammatically for the sense of the expression. It is a symbol of worship like somebody would say Amen, or interject God help me, or "Gott im Himmel" or "jesus christ which is lord over all thing" (or whatever).

This is why people of all origin, extremist or not, use it in time of distress or prayer.

This has nothing to do whatsoever about comparing to other gods.

Your definition makes as much sense as theist saying atheist reject gods but in reality accept it in their heart or such crap. From a moslem perspective, there is no other gods but Allah. From a Jew perspective (at least a believer) there has not been other god than Yhwh for the last few thousands years (it is a tad bit different if you dig in the past enough). From a christian perspective there is only the God of the bible (so Yhwh too).

If you don't understand the concept of "magnification" in religion, and think this is about comparing to other religion... You have completely missed the point of the sentence.

And yet after all that, most of it directly contradicting what you said in your previous post, the phrase still means 'Allah is the greatest.' That is what it means, regardless of what tortuous logic you posit in order to try and make it mean something different.