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Oystein said:
It is dead easy to arrange for a speech or a press conference without breaking isolation.

Do it outdoors, keep a distance of a few yards. That's it!
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He is ill! It's not just a question of infecting others.
 
dann said:
So at the next debate, we all get to see Trump get spanked by a much younger woman - for free.
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Well yes and no.

President Trump will give his usual rambling lie-ridden stream of consciousness performance. VP Harris will give considered answers to the questions posed.

For around 50% of the electorate that'll be enough to declare Trump the winner.
 
angrysoba said:
1. Trump tried every trick he could, including gathering a rally of conspiracy-theory-addled lunatics, to overturn the election he lost. Of course that is a threat to democracy. It only required a few more in the pocket judges and governors or a vice President to do his bidding.

2. He has an abysmal character as has been seen on numerous occasions, his shady business practices, refusal to pay people for their work, sexual abuse that even you admit to, mocking the disabled, no principles, etc….

3. He cannot employ and retain top quality people to work for him as has been seen throughout his time in politics. From lawyers to politicians. Look at the types of people he feels a natural affinity for: Kim Jong-un, Bolsonaro, Orban, Putin… and notice that almost anyone he employs ends up leaving or is incompetent. He can’t even keep his own vice president.
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1. A violent protest is not a threat to Democracy. If you believe it is, please review the protests outside the White House during Trump's Presidency. Regarding the most popular President in US History, Mr 81 million votes Biden, has now stepped down as the Democrat party candidate for fear of losing the election to Trump. I rest my case about the 2020 election results.
2. Both candidates are immoral. Both have had women accuse them of sexual misconduct without evidence. Only one has actively worked to subvert Democracy and is continuing to do so even as he's been shown the door. If you'll look at actual policy and policy proposals, you'll find it's simply not Trump.
3. Trump's first administration was plagued by Liberal insiders that were actively laying mines in his pathway. He has learned from that experience and has now cleared the way of Liberal insiders to avoid a repeat. Communication with World leaders is somehow a bad thing? My friend, you are deep in party propaganda, please use some common sense thinking. Conflict resolution begins with communication. If Biden had been able to communicate effectively or at all, the World would be in a much more peaceful place now. Look beyond what you are being told by the Media and the Party. You can do it.
 
"... review the protests outside (!!!) the White House ..."
Isn't the new candidate a woman? Who accused her of sexual misconduct?
 
Trump is now the eldest presidential nominee in the history of the United States.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Look beyond what you are being told by the Media and the Party. You can do it.
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I think that that's advice that you should try to heed far more than most of the others here, not least because of the quality of the arguments that you are advancing.

Even *if* you happened to be correct about the endpoint that you sought to reach, the arguments that you've been forwarding would still be terrible arguments, by the look of it.
 
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ChrisBFRPKY said:
Re the hilite, I think you just described every politician ever.

Some of the claims against Trump are unfounded. Like the "threat to Democracy" Jan 6th has been overplayed by the Media and the Democrat party. After viewing some of the footage that was buried by the Jan 6th committee, everyone saw the "Q'anon Shaman" being led directly into the Senate chamber by Capitol Police. Now I'm not onboard with the full conspiracy talk about Democrats staging Jan 6th to pull attention away from a stolen election. But I will never accept that Joe Biden is the most popular US President in history, and I don't think I'm alone in that opinion./
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Oh, Chris. You've fallen for yet another right wing lie.

Evidence rebuts Tucker Carlson’s claim about Capitol Police acting as tour guides to ‘QAnon Shaman’
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Politifact rating: Pants on Fire

USA Today Fact check
: "False claim about Jacob Chansley, the QAnon shaman, amid Jan. 6 tapes reveal"
The claim: Jan. 6 video shows Jacob Chansley was led entire time by Capitol Police
Our rating: False
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AP News:
NOT REAL NEWS: A look at what didn’t happen this week
Posts misrepresent rioter’s actions in Jan. 6 Capitol attack

CLAIM: Footage from the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol shows that Jacob Chansley, who participated in the riot sporting face paint, no shirt and a fur hat with horns, was “led through the Capitol by police the entire time he was in the building.”

THE FACTS: Court documents and video footage from the attack on the Capitol make clear that Chansley, who is widely known as the “QAnon Shaman” and is one of the most recognizable Jan. 6 rioters, entered the Capitol without permission, was repeatedly asked to leave the building and was not accompanied at all times. After Fox News host Tucker Carlson broadcast previously unseen Jan. 6 security footage on his Monday night primetime show, social media users began sharing segments from his program that misrepresented Chansley’s involvement in the riot.
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ChrisBFRPKY said:
I don't recall any legislation Trump enacted that was a threat to our Democracy. However, I do notice Biden has introduced a proposal to reform our Supreme Court.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-weekend/w...uding-term-limits-code-of-ethics-215341125868
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Do you think choosing the highlighted words is going to gaslight us into forgetting what he had done, including STILL claiming the 2020 election was "rigged and stolen"?

But I will never accept that Joe Biden is the most popular US President in history, and I don't think I'm alone in that opinion.
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Who has claimed that? Or is this just some "people are saying" claim?
 
The Don said:
Well yes and no.
President Trump will give his usual rambling lie-ridden stream of consciousness performance. VP Harris will give considered answers to the questions posed.
For around 50% of the electorate that'll be enough to declare Trump the winner.
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If I remember correctly, she wasn't bad against Biden.
Kamala Harris shines in commanding Democratic debate performance (CNN, June 27, 2019)
Against Pence, the problem was that she didn't dare challenge Big Oil.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
1. A violent protest is not a threat to Democracy. If you believe it is, please review the protests outside the White House during Trump's Presidency. Regarding the most popular President in US History, Mr 81 million votes Biden, has now stepped down as the Democrat party candidate for fear of losing the election to Trump. I rest my case about the 2020 election results.
2. Both candidates are immoral. Both have had women accuse them of sexual misconduct without evidence. Only one has actively worked to subvert Democracy and is continuing to do so even as he's been shown the door. If you'll look at actual policy and policy proposals, you'll find it's simply not Trump.
3. Trump's first administration was plagued by Liberal insiders that were actively laying mines in his pathway. He has learned from that experience and has now cleared the way of Liberal insiders to avoid a repeat. Communication with World leaders is somehow a bad thing? My friend, you are deep in party propaganda, please use some common sense thinking. Conflict resolution begins with communication. If Biden had been able to communicate effectively or at all, the World would be in a much more peaceful place now. Look beyond what you are being told by the Media and the Party. You can do it.
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1. He organized that rally and sent them to the Capitol building on the day of ratification. Of course it was going to go that way, so he bears responsibility. Biden and Hillary Clinton did not direct the protests at the White House. This is false equivalency. Besides, that was also merely the culmination of months of spurious lawsuits and accusations of vote rigging that began even before the election.

2. Not “without evidence”. Trump has had multiple claims against him and his own statements suggest that’s how he operates. Besides, it is not confined to sexual abuse but total lack of principles in just about every domain in his life.


3. If all the people around him are apparently scuppering his chances of getting things done it suggests a very poor performance on his behalf. Can you name ONE person who Trump continues to have as a member of his inner circle from the beginning of his presidency in 2016? Most of them have either fled, been fired, been to jail, been pardoned, etc… his own current VP pick likened him to Hitler.
 
Stacyhs said:
Oh, Chris. You've fallen for yet another right wing lie.
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You cited fact checkers! This is exactly why those like ChrisBFRPKY try to delegitimize fact checkers, though. They keep contradicting the bias confirming lies they fell for with actual fact.

angrysoba said:
2. Not “without evidence”. Trump has had multiple claims against him and his own statements suggest that’s how he operates. Besides, it is not confined to sexual abuse but total lack of principles in just about every domain in his life.
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I think that it's worth adding that Trump was determined to be a rapist in a court of law. That's rather far past "without evidence" as well.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Do you believe Biden received 81 million votes in 2020?
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Yes, I do as it's been confirmed several times.
FEC
OFFICIAL 2020 PRESIDENTIAL GENERAL ELECTION RESULTS General Election Date: 11/03/2020 Source: State Elections Offices*
[Biden] Total: 81,268,924
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Factcheck.org:
The same trend held in the 2020 election, when President Joe Biden won 81 million votes, defeating former President Donald Trump, who received 74 million votes. Since Biden’s votes were more concentrated in population centers, he won far fewer counties overall than Trump, whose votes were more spread out.
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Pewresearch.org.
Biden received nearly 81.3 million votes, or 51.3% of all votes cast - a record, and more than 7 million more votes than Trump.
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What evidence do you have that he didn't? Donald "pathological liar" Trump?2000 Mules? Tucker Carlson? Bigfoot?
 
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