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Tero said:
None of that is happening under Trump. He will cut taxes for billionaires and cut off your Obamacare. economy will be worse and your goods at Wlmart more expensive due to Trump tariffs.

How were you so easily fooled? The guy is an ACTOR! All he does is talk BS in a convincing way.
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I disagree. The Trump economy was and will be designed to promote growth and lower costs to consumers by increasing the supply of energy to the level it was reflected in consumer pricing. He's already proven it works.

Why is this more important now than ever to put Trump back in office? The average cost of living increase for my Kentucky neighbors has been over $900/month. This information was included in a regular email I receive from Rand Paul. (You can too if you choose to join his mailing list. I know that's unlikely but I didn't want to give a wrong impression.)

An excerpt for that email:

"Dr. Rand Paul Meets with Kentuckians in Dry Ridge
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At the end of June, I met with Kentuckians in Dry Ridge where we discussed rising prices. Inflation is costing Kentucky households about $955 more per month. Gas, groceries, electricity, rent, and transportation all cost more in Biden’s America, and unless our government cuts spending and stops sending money overseas, it’ll only get worse."

I'm not sure that $955 amount would apply to ALL Kentuckians but I would think it does apply to many based on spending. The reason is that in my local area, which is considered "rural" the average bring home pay is roughly $500/week (some do a bit better, some do a bit worse). It doesn't cost a lot to "get by" here, unlike most densely populated US cities. So around about $2000 a month is the amount most have to make a life with.

If you remove half the stated cost of living increase from their monthly salary say around $500/month, that's a major problem for most people here. I realize you have a goal to promote the idea that Republicans are NOT the Party of the middle class or low income class, that they only serve the interests of Billionaires, but that's simply untrue. If you think low income individuals are not having off brand breakfast cereal for dinner more often now than ever before, you're not even being honest with yourself. I'd like to point out that even "Kellogg's" is confirming more people are having cereal for dinner now. It's not by choice in most cases, nor are they having brand name cereals in most cases. Take a step back before choosing your candidate.
 
Trump is the only doddery old man in the campaign now.
Let’s see them claim a rambling near octogenarian guy is the right choice after spending the last year claiming it was a disaster.
 
angrysoba said:
Well, yes, JD Vance said it and I think he has revised his view by saying he got his ideas from watching CNN (which is definitely a strike against anyone - don't form your opinions from watching cable, people!). The second part of what I said about Trump seeing the Hitler comparison as a compliment was a joke I stole from the New Yorker, I think.

Do I think he's similar to Hitler or the Nazis? No, I don't, although I would be interested to know what your grandfather's would have thought of a politician using "America First" as a slogan. The pre-WWII environment tainted that phrase. That said, I don't think Trump really has the ideological consistency that they had.

Maybe a better comparison would be to Mussolini in the sense that he has an authoritarian/strong-man streak to him. He's also someone who I wouldn't trust around a democratic process because of what we saw on January 6th, and his constant attempts to badger governors and the courts, and his own VP pick to overturn the election. He has constantly sown mistrust in every democratic election he has entered. For me, he has done enough to show that people should have rejected him from ever running again, but politics is show business for ugly people and he's truly cut out for it, so he has an army of lickspittle sycophants and grifters trying to ride his coat-tails to fame.
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Re the hilite, I think you just described every politician ever.

Some of the claims against Trump are unfounded. Like the "threat to Democracy" Jan 6th has been overplayed by the Media and the Democrat party. After viewing some of the footage that was buried by the Jan 6th committee, everyone saw the "Q'anon Shaman" being led directly into the Senate chamber by Capitol Police. Now I'm not onboard with the full conspiracy talk about Democrats staging Jan 6th to pull attention away from a stolen election. But I will never accept that Joe Biden is the most popular US President in history, and I don't think I'm alone in that opinion.

I don't recall any legislation Trump enacted that was a threat to our Democracy. However, I do notice Biden has introduced a proposal to reform our Supreme Court.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-weekend/w...uding-term-limits-code-of-ethics-215341125868
 
Biden says he'll speak to the nation "later this week".

Whut??
SRLY?!??!

What a ****** up plan!
It's Sunday afternoon in the USA.
When is he gonna speak - Wednesday? Friday??

Did they make this announcement, that he quits the race, without any planning, any coordination, any idea how to procede? Were they surpsrised? When all the WORLD was expecting,hoping for Biden to drop out???

This announcement should have been pre-written and circulated for comments, and the speech scheduled for "later this week" ought to be ready and be delivered within hours - at most!!
It is difficult to understand why there is not a press conference underway already, as I write!
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Re the hilite, I think you just described every politician ever.

Some of the claims against Trump are unfounded. Like the "threat to Democracy" Jan 6th has been overplayed by the Media and the Democrat party. After viewing some of the footage that was buried by the Jan 6th committee, everyone saw the "Q'anon Shaman" being led directly into the Senate chamber by Capitol Police. Now I'm not onboard with the full conspiracy talk about Democrats staging Jan 6th to pull attention away from a stolen election. But I will never accept that Joe Biden is the most popular US President in history, and I don't think I'm alone in that opinion.

I don't recall any legislation Trump enacted that was a threat to our Democracy. However, I do notice Biden has introduced a proposal to reform our Supreme Court.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-weekend/w...uding-term-limits-code-of-ethics-215341125868
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1. Trump tried every trick he could, including gathering a rally of conspiracy-theory-addled lunatics, to overturn the election he lost. Of course that is a threat to democracy. It only required a few more in the pocket judges and governors or a vice President to do his bidding.

2. He has an abysmal character as has been seen on numerous occasions, his shady business practices, refusal to pay people for their work, sexual abuse that even you admit to, mocking the disabled, no principles, etc….

3. He cannot employ and retain top quality people to work for him as has been seen throughout his time in politics. From lawyers to politicians. Look at the types of people he feels a natural affinity for: Kim Jong-un, Bolsonaro, Orban, Putin… and notice that almost anyone he employs ends up leaving or is incompetent. He can’t even keep his own vice president.
 
Andy_Ross said:
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Elon Musk is a fully on-board propagandist and financial backer of Trump. Trump made a social media post not long ago about Musk being down on his knees and posted a picture of him standing servilely next to him.

Of course Musk will write slobbering endorsements of him.
 
Biden is in self isolation because of Covid.

Nothing wrong with waiting to make big speeches until he's cleared
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
Biden is in self isolation because of Covid.

Nothing wrong with waiting to make big speeches until he's cleared
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It is dead easy to arrange for a speech or a press conference without breaking isolation.

Do it outdoors, keep a distance of a few yards. That's it!
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
I disagree. The Trump economy was and will be designed to promote growth and lower costs to consumers by increasing the supply of energy to the level it was reflected in consumer pricing.
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Come on. You're well aware that there's more to the story of the economy than just oil, coal, and gas permitting. As it stands, there seems to be rather widespread agreement among those who deal with economics that Trump actually fulfilling his promises would lead to rather remarkable Trumpflation.

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He's already proven it works.
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Just like Republicans have proven that supply side economics works amazingly well! At least for the very rich. Not very well at all for everyone else, though.

ChrisBFRPKY said:
Why is this more important now than ever to put Trump back in office? The average cost of living increase for my Kentucky neighbors has been over $900/month.

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If you remove half the stated cost of living increase from their monthly salary say around $500/month, that's a major problem for most people here.
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You're missing the average rate of income increase in that calculation. Without that, it's a pretty terrible argument, really. All emotion and fallacy. Enough to make a straw to grasp and potentially a place to start making a decent argument, but not enough to survive a critical look on its own. That's without touching the serious problems in what you quoted from that email.

ChrisBFRPKY said:
I realize you have a goal to promote the idea that Republicans are NOT the Party of the middle class or low income class, that they only serve the interests of Billionaires, but that's simply untrue.
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Under Republicans, decisions consistently and overwhelmingly benefit the rich and screw over the rest of us. Under Democrats, the benefits tend to be much more evenly spread out. If you want to seize on some technicality that Republicans don't ONLY serve the interests of Billionaires, okay. That is indeed technically true. It's just pretty much irrelevant.

Either way, my goal deals with working with the truth, rather than just starting with the goal and trying to find some way, any way, to support it. The sheer narrowness and weakness of your arguments strongly suggests that you're engaging in the latter.

ChrisBFRPKY said:
If you think low income individuals are not having off brand breakfast cereal for dinner more often now than ever before, you're not even being honest with yourself. I'd like to point out that even "Kellogg's" is confirming more people are having cereal for dinner now. It's not by choice in most cases, nor are they having brand name cereals in most cases. Take a step back before choosing your candidate.
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Err... as someone who has frequently eaten cereal as part of breakfast, lunch, and dinner (not all in the same day, though) in more recent times, including store brand cereal, I can say that it was definitely by choice here. Cereal can be a nice, super easy to prepare meal or snack for any time of day.

With all that said, there certainly are reasonable concerns that can be raised about a bunch of narrower economy related things. Things really aren't going great for a lot of people and it's fair to say that. Those more narrow problems are very poorly addressed with complaints about the more general economy, though. They're served dramatically worse when oil, coal, and gas permitting are being treated as the only thing that actually matters, so maybe, someday, you could stop trying to pull that BS, ChrisBFRPKY?
 
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So at the next debate, we all get to see Trump get spanked by a much younger woman - for free.
 
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