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Delvo said:
I don't get what point anybody thinks there was in that press conference. No matter how well his symptoms are managed this time, it can't make previous things, which we all saw happen, unhappen.
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The point of the press conference is to let people know what was decided at the NATO summit. Ostensibly, this has nothing to do with the election. People have a right to know what is being discussed at an important meeting relating to geo-security.

Of course, it is also being seen through the parochial lens of American electoral politics, and whether Biden will appear as merely an elderly statesman or someone who has gone gaga. He appeared mostly as the former. Unfortunately I worry that that is actually good for his domestic and foreign opponents (Trump and Putin)...[pictured below]

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I'm prepared to put my hand up and say I was wrong about Biden's mind - there's clearly nothing wrong with it. Yes, he's old and maybe a little forgetful, but he's human and his mistakes were so minor as to be meaningless.

He held it together all the way through, and to suggest he wasn't tested is flying in the face of reality - he was sharp enough to put the knife straight between Trump's ribs as a final insult.

Strong, statesmanlike, full of leadership qualities - I expect the speech to play extremely well with undecided voters, and as of now, they're the only ones who matter.
 
Biden did a great job at that completely "unscripted, no teleprompters and definitely no canned questions" press conference. Chris Coons says he's "sharp, fit, and at the top of his game".

Sure there may have been a couple of teleprompters there, and yes, maybe he did read from them at the beginning. So he called on a list of names he had on a note card, it's not like the Biden campaign has ever distributed preferred questions to reporters before. Yes, maybe there was some delay between his one sentence responses between each sentence like someone listening to instructions from an earpiece. But you didn't see an earpiece and you can't prove anything, so it didn't happen. You must suspend any disbelief and accept that this was all above table and Joe is just fine and dandy. This was not a Dog and Pony Show or damage control.

I'm not certain that I am completely comfortable with Biden choosing Trump as his VP. But a Biden/Trump 2024 ticket may be the way out of this thing after all. I just hope he didn't give Ukraine's money to Putin by mistake. OK I'll stop.
 
shemp said:
Biden’s poor debate performance had almost no impact on voter preference, new report says
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"Almost no impact on voter preference" is not the result Biden wanted from that debate. Biden challenged Trump to the debates because Biden thought he would trounce Trump badly enough to improve Biden's approval ratings and poll numbers.

Something like 50 million people watched that first debate. That was one of the largest audiences Biden will have before the election. Biden wasted that opportunity.

Before the debate, this race was a toss-up and had been for a long time. Following the debate, Biden has a lot of catching up to do. You don't catch up by having almost no impact on voter preferences.

Biden could stay in the race and win, but that's not going to happen unless something alters the trajectory of his campaign. Whether Kamala Harris's chances would be better than Biden's is a reasonable question to ask. (Those who would prefer Dean Phillips or Jason Palmer or someone else can replace Harris's name in that question, which makes the question easier to answer.) But the really important question is whether Biden believes someone else's chances would be better than his, because Biden's going to get the nomination on the first ballot unless he drops out or releases his pledged delegates.
 
I'm gob-smacked.

I expected Biden to firm like crazy in the betting markets after the press conference, but he's actually drifted to $8-50.

No sitting president has ever seen those kind of odds, so I'm going to have my first politics bet ever and slap $100 on him. Looks like the biggest overlay I've ever seen.
 
The Atheist said:
And 11/10 for the final statement!
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What was his final statement?

I can’t give him such glowing reviews. It wasn’t terrible, but hardly a barnstormer of a speech. Nobody would pay attention to it at all if he hadn’t made incoherent statements at the disastrous debate or at the almost as disastrous damage control interview.

He’s starting from a low expectation.

The Atheist said:
I'm prepared to put my hand up and say I was wrong about Biden's mind - there's clearly nothing wrong with it. Yes, he's old and maybe a little forgetful, but he's human and his mistakes were so minor as to be meaningless.

He held it together all the way through, and to suggest he wasn't tested is flying in the face of reality - he was sharp enough to put the knife straight between Trump's ribs as a final insult.

Strong, statesmanlike, full of leadership qualities - I expect the speech to play extremely well with undecided voters, and as of now, they're the only ones who matter.
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I don’t know if there is anything wrong with his mind or not. He is clearly struggling to project his voice and charisma. You have to listen hard to understand him even on good days. That’s not a good way to motivate independent voters.

W.D.Clinger said:
"Almost no impact on voter preference" is not the result Biden wanted from that debate. Biden challenged Trump to the debates because Biden thought he would trounce Trump badly enough to improve Biden's approval ratings and poll numbers.

Something like 50 million people watched that first debate. That was one of the largest audiences Biden will have before the election. Biden wasted that opportunity.

Before the debate, this race was a toss-up and had been for a long time. Following the debate, Biden has a lot of catching up to do. You don't catch up by having almost no impact on voter preferences.

Biden could stay in the race and win, but that's not going to happen unless something alters the trajectory of his campaign. Whether Kamala Harris's chances would be better than Biden's is a reasonable question to ask. (Those who would prefer Dean Phillips or Jason Palmer or someone else can replace Harris's name in that question, which makes the question easier to answer.) But the really important question is whether Biden believes someone else's chances would be better than his, because Biden's going to get the nomination on the first ballot unless he drops out or releases his pledged delegates.
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Yes. There have been some who have blamed his debate performance on CNN or his debate prep team (saying they confused him with too many numbers and details!). But these are hopeless excuses when you consider that this was meant to be his stomping ground and he was supposed to stomp all over Donald Trump. I don’t know who feels confident he will do that in September. I don’t at all.
 
The Norwegian state broadcaster finally bothered to say something about Project 2025, and I thought, "finally", until I read the story and they spun it as the Democrats being desperate to divert attention from Biden's health, and spent most of the story talking about how Dump insists he has nothing to do with the manifesto. The actual contents got barely a sentence.
 
I guess there will be a lot of 'told you so' after the election:

Biden wins - See, told you so. He's fine
Trump wins against Biden - Told you so, Biden was weak
Trump wins against XXXX - Told you so, if only Biden would have stayed in the race
XXXX wins - Told you so, thank god the Dems switched the candidate
 
carlosy said:
I guess there will be a lot of 'told you so' after the election:

Biden wins - See, told you so. He's fine
Trump wins against Biden - Told you so, ******* hell, Biden was weak
Trump wins against XXXX - Told you so, ******* hell, if only Biden would have stayed in the race
XXXX wins - Told you so, thank god the Dems switched the candidate
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Not quite.
 
ZiprHead said:
While Biden is giving a press conference, Trump is entertaining Hungary dictator Victor Orban.
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Orbán is not a dictator; apparently a majority of Hungarians agree with his Make Hungary Great Again agenda and keep voting for him. He has, however, attempted to erode (with mixed success) democracy and freedom of the press in Hungary, which has led to EU sanctions and threats to suspend Hungary's EU voting rights. There is some evidence that voters are getting tired of him and his party, though, so hopefully he'll be turned out at the next election.
 
Dr.Sid said:
I guess people hope he gets better drugs. But let's face it. If there are drugs which could help him, he already has them.
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But we were told that the idea that he might take any medication couldn't be a real thing; it could only be a foul MAGA conspiracist lie.
 
SpitfireIX said:
Orbán is not a dictator; apparently a majority of Hungarians agree with his Make Hungary Great Again agenda and keep voting for him. He has, however, attempted to erode (with mixed success) democracy and freedom of the press in Hungary, which has led to EU sanctions and threats to suspend Hungary's EU voting rights. There is some evidence that voters are getting tired of him and his party, though, so hopefully he'll be turned out at the next election.
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Doubtful. Orban is running a soft dictatorship. There are still democratic elections, they just don't mean much.

Just for starters, all the major media stations are owned by his cronies, and they only allow Orban supporters on the air, so it is a major problem for opposition candidates just telling people they are running.
 
angrysoba said:
I don’t know if there is anything wrong with his mind or not. He is clearly struggling to project his voice and charisma. You have to listen hard to understand him even on good days. That’s not a good way to motivate independent voters.
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it's worse than most people think in regards to his voice imo. in these interviews you can hear the room tone blaring in the background while you can barely hear him speak.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
I remember Bush making lots of gaffes, too. No one accused him of being demented.
If anyone wants a trip down memory lane, here's some memorable ones. I especially love the one where he boasts that 'we' never stop thinking of new ways to harm our country and its people.

Oh, and who can forget when he in 2022, following russia's invasion of Ukraine, condemned the invasion of... Iraq.

But I already see news sites making the putin/Zelensky name gaffe their top story, because of course they are. I get it's summertime and Komkommertijd, but come on, you have a responsibility to your viewers. It's as if they want Dump to win.
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Republicans are held to a much lower standard than Democrats. The media love to roast Democratic politicians. The media also downplays, minimizes, even ignore anything that would embarrass or bring to attention the failings of any Republican.
 
angrysoba said:
What was his final statement?
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Someone shouted out a question about his verbal gaffes. "Listen to Trump" was Biden's perfect riposte.

angrysoba said:
I don’t know if there is anything wrong with his mind or not. He is clearly struggling to project his voice and charisma. You have to listen hard to understand him even on good days. That’s not a good way to motivate independent voters.
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I didn't get that at all, and we don't even speak the same language. I also had my 15-year-old son watching with me and he heard every word.

dirtywick said:
it's worse than most people think in regards to his voice imo. in these interviews you can hear the room tone blaring in the background while you can barely hear him speak.
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What were you listening to? I watched AP's feed and there was no background noise and Biden was completely clear.
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I see NZ's premium political commentator today saying Biden must go because he said "Vice President Trump".

The problem now isn't so much Biden's mind, but the vehicle the media have created (Yes, Shemp, you were spot on) and they're determined to follow it through to the point where it runs Biden over then backs up over his body.
 
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