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He has finally enlisted the help of the party's wisest and most insightful & successful advisor, the paragon of phenomenal political acumen: Hillary Clinton.

That is pure gold.

Nobody knows how to lose an election like Hillary. So far in front the bookies paid out on her winning before the vote.

Didn't someone even start a thread here in the days prior to the election asking what she should be called on the second Wednesday in November? I don't recall "loser" being one of the options.

No wonder rich Americans are building bunkers in NZ.
 
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Of course it's not impossible for him to win. What is stupid is posting every time the news media reports on a new poll (just about every day).

Are people going to keep this up for the next year? 12 months so close to 365 nonsense posts on meaningless polls? :rolleyes:

What else are people going to post in this thread for the next year?















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That is pure gold.

Nobody knows how to lose an election like Hillary. So far in front the bookies paid out on her winning before the vote.

Didn't someone even start a thread here in the days prior to the election asking what she should be called on the second Wednesday in November? I don't recall "loser" being one of the options.

No wonder rich Americans are building bunkers in NZ.

Paddy Power regularly pay out far too early, it's part of their marketing to generate an image of an avuncular free-wheeling organisation.

The truth is that they're pragmatic and hard nosed
 
Polls don't work. A poll a month ago and a poll a month from now are equally bad. CNN is just "making news" as they do not feel like covering Trump of Biden in weekly news.

Do you watch CNN? They cover Biden and Trump daily.

ETA: I know a lot of people rag on them, but I generally like their coverage*, for politics in particular, Jake Tapper is the best out there.

*last time they pissed me off was spending the majority of an hour long program covering that mini submarine thingy.
 
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What is so frustrating is that there is a general perception among the country that our economy is doing poorly when it's not. Unemployment is at a low 3.7%, inflation has declined from a high of 9.1% in June 2022 to an annual 3.1%. Gas and energy prices have fallen, too. Yes, housing prices have risen greatly but that is largely due to low inventory as buyers wait for mortgage rates to come down.

As previously stated, it's perception vs reality.
 
What is so frustrating is that there is a general perception among the country that our economy is doing poorly when it's not. Unemployment is at a low 3.7%, inflation has declined from a high of 9.1% in June 2022 to an annual 3.1%. Gas and energy prices have fallen, too. Yes, housing prices have risen greatly but that is largely due to low inventory as buyers wait for mortgage rates to come down.

As previously stated, it's perception vs reality.
They are being told things are bad by people they do not question. With zero skepticism involved, just pure blind cultism, they "believe". And as with all cults, reality rarely intrudes except at far too late a stage to do anything to recover.
 
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What is so frustrating is that there is a general perception among the country that our economy is doing poorly when it's not. Unemployment is at a low 3.7%, inflation has declined from a high of 9.1% in June 2022 to an annual 3.1%. Gas and energy prices have fallen, too. Yes, housing prices have risen greatly but that is largely due to low inventory as buyers wait for mortgage rates to come down.

As previously stated, it's perception vs reality.

You can't expect reason from these people, they don't understand how they are destroying themselves with their own stupidity.
 
They are being told things are bad by people they do not question. With zero skepticism involved, just pure blind cultism, they "believe". And as with all cults, reality rarely intrudes except at far too late a stage to do anything to recover.
You can't expect reason from these people, they don't understand how they are destroying themselves with their own stupidity.
One couldn't ask for a more perfect demonstration of contempt for the peasants (and not even on just any subject but specifically about their having the gall to not pay lip service to their masters). That's right up there in "let them eat cake" and "let them die and decrease the surplus population" territory.

And the fact that that's what passes for a defense of the Democrats is exactly how they've been handing over the country to the Republicans. I used to not understand how it was supposed to be possible for an oppressive dictatorship to get voted into power in what was a democracy/republic up until they do that. The idea of "grabbing power" simply made no sense when I read about it in school because first you would need to already have the power to grab the power before you could grab the power (because you can't grab what you don't have the power to grab), and then you wouldn't be grabbing it because you'd already have it, which you couldn't if you hadn't already somehow gotten it. Watching the Democrats lately has educated me in how something like 1930s Germany can happen. I was right that having a party of evil isn't enough. But what it also requires is something that my child self couldn't imagine actually possibly happening: that enough of the other party(s), which could stop the party of evil if they chose, either roll over & play dead for them or even partially join them. And here we are, watching the so-called "opposition" to the party of evil spew utterly vile poison like the above quotes, pushing as many potential voters as possible as far away as possible, doing the party of evil's work for them. The only good part is the fact the modern Hitler they're helping this time is so old & unhealthy he'll be gone soon after his re-election & re-inauguration, maybe even before.
 
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The place to fix things is not at the level of the Voters, it's the Parties, and that means election system. Which in turn might mean change how judges overseeing election legislation are chosen.
 
You can't expect reason from these people, they don't understand how they are destroying themselves with their own stupidity.

so is that the dem message to financial struggles of the working class? they're too dumb to realize the economy is actually good

sounds like what the republicans used to say. if you're struggling it's your own dumb fault, not the system
 
One couldn't ask for a more perfect demonstration of contempt for the peasants (and not even on just any subject but specifically about their having the gall to not pay lip service to their masters). That's right up there in "let them eat cake" and "let them die and decrease the surplus population" territory.

And the fact that that's what passes for a defense of the Democrats is exactly how they've been handing over the country to the Republicans. I used to not understand how it was supposed to be possible for an oppressive dictatorship to get voted into power in what was a democracy/republic up until they do that. The idea of "grabbing power" simply made no sense when I read about it in school because first you would need to already have the power to grab the power before you could grab the power (because you can't grab what you don't have the power to grab), and then you wouldn't be grabbing it because you'd already have it, which you couldn't if you hadn't already somehow gotten it. Watching the Democrats lately has educated me in how something like 1930s Germany can happen. I was right that having a party of evil isn't enough. But what it also requires is something that my child self couldn't imagine actually possibly happening: that enough of the other party(s), which could stop the party of evil if they chose, either roll over & play dead for them or even partially join them. And here we are, watching the so-called "opposition" to the party of evil spew utterly vile poison like the above quotes, pushing as many potential voters as possible as far away as possible, doing the party of evil's work for them. The only good part is the fact the modern Hitler they're helping this time is so old & unhealthy he'll be gone soon after his re-election & re-inauguration, maybe even before.
Matey, I am not even American, let alone a Democrat.

What poison? We have just stated facts. You not liking them, or some American political party not measuring up to your standards, would seem to be the problem here.
 
What is so frustrating is that there is a general perception among the country that our economy is doing poorly when it's not. Unemployment is at a low 3.7%, inflation has declined from a high of 9.1% in June 2022 to an annual 3.1%. Gas and energy prices have fallen, too. Yes, housing prices have risen greatly but that is largely due to low inventory as buyers wait for mortgage rates to come down.

As previously stated, it's perception vs reality.

I don’t think you get it. I went to fill up my truck with gas and the price was well under $3. But there wasn’t a sticker saying it was Biden’s fault on the pump anymore, so I didn’t think about it.

Trump will win Texas even if there is imax video of him being raped by Giuliani in prison. The loser has become more important than what the loser does.
 
One couldn't ask for a more perfect demonstration of contempt for the peasants (and not even on just any subject but specifically about their having the gall to not pay lip service to their masters). That's right up there in "let them eat cake" and "let them die and decrease the surplus population" territory.

And the fact that that's what passes for a defense of the Democrats is exactly how they've been handing over the country to the Republicans. I used to not understand how it was supposed to be possible for an oppressive dictatorship to get voted into power in what was a democracy/republic up until they do that. The idea of "grabbing power" simply made no sense when I read about it in school because first you would need to already have the power to grab the power before you could grab the power (because you can't grab what you don't have the power to grab), and then you wouldn't be grabbing it because you'd already have it, which you couldn't if you hadn't already somehow gotten it. Watching the Democrats lately has educated me in how something like 1930s Germany can happen. I was right that having a party of evil isn't enough. But what it also requires is something that my child self couldn't imagine actually possibly happening: that enough of the other party(s), which could stop the party of evil if they chose, either roll over & play dead for them or even partially join them. And here we are, watching the so-called "opposition" to the party of evil spew utterly vile poison like the above quotes, pushing as many potential voters as possible as far away as possible, doing the party of evil's work for them. The only good part is the fact the modern Hitler they're helping this time is so old & unhealthy he'll be gone soon after his re-election & re-inauguration, maybe even before.

Cool. What’s the alternative?

What should I be saying to the guy with the rebel flag and trump flags plastered on his truck and mobile home?

What should I say to the lawyer who thinks it’s ok to vote for Trump because he heard a story about a trans woman getting another inmate pregnant in prison, thus proving that the LGBT community “had overplayed their hand”?

What do I say to a client CEO who think we need a more pro business administration in the WH?

**** it. I’ll stay quiet and enjoy my peace while venting in this insignificant corner of the web.
 
I am not even American, let alone a Democrat.
...which obviously didn't prevent you from engaging in what I said: giving that particular (wildly dishonest) defense of the Democrats in power, in the form of accusations about how awful the peasants are for not swearing fealty to them no matter how bad their reign gets.

Cool. What’s the alternative?
The alternative to a bad message for potential Democrat voters would be, to start with, just not spouting such an obviously counterproductive & inaccurate message as "everything's just fine" in the first place... also, better yet, maybe trying a good message for potential Democrat voters instead ("yes the problems are real and here's how we plan to fix them")... a message delivered with not just words but also actions that would do significant good people could feel in their lives if those actions were to take effect.

What should I be saying to the guy with the rebel flag and trump flags plastered on his truck and mobile home?

What should I say to the lawyer who thinks it’s ok to vote for Trump because he heard a story about a trans woman getting another inmate pregnant in prison, thus proving that the LGBT community “had overplayed their hand”?

What do I say to a client CEO who think we need a more pro business administration in the WH?
Why did you switch to not only another subject, but one so extremely far away from the original? (...responses to people, especially otherwise likely Democrat voters, saying that economically getting by is hard and keeps getting harder (because their economic lives actually are hard and getting harder))
 
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The alternative to a bad message for potential Democrat voters would be, to start with, just not spouting such an obviously counterproductive & inaccurate message as "everything's just fine" in the first place... also, better yet, maybe trying a good message for potential Democrat voters instead ("yes the problems are real and here's how we plan to fix them ")... a message delivered with not just words but also actions that would do significant good people could feel in their lives if those actions were to take effect.


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Yes the problems are real and here's how we have been fixing them. Furthermore, here is how we would go about doing an even better job of fixing those problems if the party that created and perpetuated those problems weren't in control of Congress.
 
...which obviously didn't prevent you from engaging in what I said: giving that particular (wildly dishonest) defense of the Democrats in power, in the form of accusations about how awful the peasants are for not swearing fealty to them no matter how bad their reign gets.

The alternative to a bad message for potential Democrat voters would be, to start with, just not spouting such an obviously counterproductive & inaccurate message as "everything's just fine" in the first place... also, better yet, maybe trying a good message for potential Democrat voters instead ("yes the problems are real and here's how we plan to fix them")... a message delivered with not just words but also actions that would do significant good people could feel in their lives if those actions were to take effect.

Why did you switch to not only another subject, but one so extremely far away from the original? (...responses to people, especially otherwise likely Democrat voters, saying that economically getting by is hard and keeps getting harder (because their economic lives actually are hard and getting harder))


Sorry. I went more general because that isn’t the only topics where facts and logic have no sway with Trump voters.

I appreciate the response and will try to reply more later.
 
No matter how great the economy is, those who vote Republican will think it is awful if a Democrat is the President.
 
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