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Cont: 2024 Election Thread part 3

After reflecting about things for a day now, while my primary anger is directed at the people who voted the lunatic in and those who did not vote against it, I feel my friends and family who have been directing more of the anger at the Dems and DNC do have a point. They dropped the ball a long time ago, they kept promoting the worst candidates, they put down populist candidates like Bernie who would have slaughtered Trump to oblivion, and obviously Biden-Harris was a huge mistake and huge nose thumb to most working Americans and certainly Gen Z, who they absolutely needed to turn out to win this race. Hopefully the lesson has been well-learned and there will be enough of a country left to pick up the pieces once Trump starts dismantling it.
 
Oh, they don't want zero asylum seekers. They want it so that only caucasian ones are allowed.
 
stanfr said:
After reflecting about things for a day now, while my primary anger is directed at the people who voted the lunatic in and those who did not vote against it, I feel my friends and family who have been directing more of the anger at the Dems and DNC do have a point. They dropped the ball a long time ago, they kept promoting the worst candidates, they put down populist candidates like Bernie who would have slaughtered Trump to oblivion, and obviously Biden-Harris was a huge mistake and huge nose thumb to most working Americans and certainly Gen Z, who they absolutely needed to turn out to win this race. Hopefully the lesson has been well-learned and there will be enough of a country left to pick up the pieces once Trump starts dismantling it.
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i mean, i agree. people wanted the constitution protected, fix the supreme court, and get some justice. they didn't do any of that and they lost abortion and the economy was bad. i think they did some other positive things, and you could make a case on how it's not their fault if you wanted to. it's not supposed to be easy and it was not the greatest showing. short of what needed to be done.

now, you might say trump was elected to do the same thing, and whether you're right or not it's neither here nor there. he might do a better job on following through.
 
Mike! said:
I expect the dust to get blown off that unpassed border bill in pretty short order...
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If you are talking about the Biden bill, it is actually a reasonable compromise between the two extremes on the issue.
It wouls have no chance of pasisng, whatsoever.
 
stanfr said:
After reflecting about things for a day now, while my primary anger is directed at the people who voted the lunatic in and those who did not vote against it, I feel my friends and family who have been directing more of the anger at the Dems and DNC do have a point. They dropped the ball a long time ago, they kept promoting the worst candidates, they put down populist candidates like Bernie who would have slaughtered Trump to oblivion, and obviously Biden-Harris was a huge mistake and huge nose thumb to most working Americans and certainly Gen Z, who they absolutely needed to turn out to win this race. Hopefully the lesson has been well-learned and there will be enough of a country left to pick up the pieces once Trump starts dismantling it.
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I disagree about Bernie. He is way too far to the Left to win in a general election. Trump would have won in 2020.
Problem is it does no good to win Gen Z if you lose a lot of other voters.
But the Bernie Bros will never admit that.
 
Stacyhs said:
Don't forget the 'Just Say No' to drugs solution that Nancy Reagan created. How did that work out?
Simple solutions for complex problems from simple minds.
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I think Nancy Reagan's "Just say no." was a great message to our youth regarding illegal drugs at the time. It was much better than Melania's "Be Best". Can you remind me what message Jill Biden has given our youth about illegal drugs?
 
Safe-Keeper said:
btw, is anyone keeping a tally of how many Republicans and other high-profile right wingers who denounced Drumpf who are now hurrying back to him now that he suddenly won the election?
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Very Few.
I know this is hard for you to beleive, but it is possible to be a conservative and still think Trump is a horrible person and not fir for the presidency.
 
Stacyhs said:
Remember, Trump only surrounds himself with the very best. They'll be some of the best examples of sycophantic morons and nutcases like the world has never seen before.
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If nothing else, the medical industry which is a big GOP donor, will make it's dislike of RFK known.
And I see I am not the only one using Dr Strangelove references in talking about RFK's fluoride statement.
 
dirtywick said:
it's hard to believe because he got so many votes
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He benefited from something that is sweeping the globe; A sort of Anti Incumbent movement. It is neutral politically: both left and right wing incumbents have been voted out. SO the same wave that put Labor in power in the UK helped to put Trump in power in the US.
But I agree. I though 1/6 should have bene enough to kill any political career for good, but I was wrong.
But the voters made a terrible mistake,a nd they will pay the price.
I am predicitng that within 18 months, you will have the biggest case of Buyer's regret in history among US voters.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
I think Nancy Reagan's "Just say no." was a great message to our youth regarding illegal drugs at the time.
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Personally, I'm not going to knock the "Just say no" slogan. It's a good slogan.

It just wasn't particularly effective at doing what it was supposed to do in practice.

'Just say no' didn't actually protect students from drugs. Here's what could​

Teaching drug abstinence remains popular among some groups, and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration's messaging to teenagers still focuses on the goal that they should be "drug-free." But numerous studies published in the 1990s and early 2000s concluded programs like D.A.R.E. had no significant impact on drug use. And one study actually found a slight uptick in drug use among suburban students after participation in D.A.R.E. In 2009, D.A.R.E. rebranded with new curriculums for students dubbed "keepin' it REAL." But the programming doesn't focus on how students can minimize their risk of harm if they do choose to use drugs.


"It is clear that just saying no is not sufficient," says Nora Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse. "We'd like the theoretical perfect: don't touch a drug — abstinence. But that's not necessarily the reality for everyone."
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If Bernie actually wanted to make change, he should've joined the Democratic party appointed long time ago.
 
dudalb said:
I disagree about Bernie. He is way too far to the Left to win in a general election. Trump would have won in 2020.
Problem is it does no good to win Gen Z if you lose a lot of other voters.
But the Bernie Bros will never admit that.
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That's not what the polls said. And contrary to the pundits this time, the key polls were actually pretty accurate this race. And it's not about "losing a lot of other voters"--I was sympathetic to that idea until recently--but see my new post below, I think that demonstrates that your argument fails. Bernie may have been labeled a socialist/commi (just as Harris was incidentally) and that would have turned off some voters, but most importantly, Bernie was POPULIST, he could relate to a large number of disaffected voters! That was the absolute key here, and perfectly explains why voter turnout was pathetically low.
 
dudalb said:
He benefited from something that is sweeping the globe; A sort of Anti Incumbent movement. It is neutral politically: both left and right wing incumbents have been voted out. SO the same wave that put Labor in power in the UK helped to put Trump in power in the US.
But I agree. I though 1/6 should have bene enough to kill any political career for good, but I was wrong.
But the voters made a terrible mistake,a nd they will pay the price.
I am predicitng that within 18 months, you will have the biggest case of Buyer's regret in history among US voters.
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I agree with reservations. I think NOW is the time for a populist movement to organize strongly, to take advantage of the chaos and insanity that will ensue. Only 2 outcomes are possible--either MAGA will triumph, just as the Nazis did, by eliminating the opposition, or a populist leader from the left takes the lead and speaks out.
 
dudalb said:
Enforcing an abortion ban nationwide would make Prohibition look easy.
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jt512 said:
Plus, it would never pass. At least some of these Republican legislators have constituencies opposed to it.
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It wouldn't need to pass - The Fat Orange Turd could just use his Executive Order power.

Sure, it might get ruled against in lower courts, but he's got his trump card (no pun intended)... an anti-abortion 6-3 conservative majority at SCOTUS who would be only too willing to take his appeal and rule in his favour.
 
In my opinion, this one poll (albeit not huge, but national and fairly well-conducted) explains the National delusion perfectly. Scroll down to figures 3 & 4 in particular. roughly 20 f****** percent of Americans believe or are unsure of the proposition that the 'earth is flat' or that 'the Apollo moon landing was faked'!! Roughly 20 f****** percent of Americans voted for Trump! Granted, some of the poll respondents were not voters, and when you look at the data, while the strong majority of the conspiracy believers were Trump supporters (not surprising) not all of them were. Nevertheless, it shockingly drives home the very clear point that a *significant* portion of Americans are naive, uneducated, just plain stupid. When you are surrounded by intelligent people, as I have been most of my life and probably many of the people on this forum as well, it is easy to forget just how many stupid people--people easily manipulated--are out there. The Gen Z/X numbers in the poll are most shocking--they are the ones most likely to believe in conspiracies like vaccines giving us microchips etc. And that, clearly, is the result of growing up on a diet of Youtube 'experts' and social media garbage. Sigh...
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it's trivially easy to enforce an abortion ban. hospitals won't do them if they're illegal, that's it. enforced.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
I think Nancy Reagan's "Just say no." was a great message to our youth regarding illegal drugs at the time. It was much better than Melania's "Be Best". Can you remind me what message Jill Biden has given our youth about illegal drugs?
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Whether it was a "great message" wasn't the point. The point was that it was an overly simplistic, ineffective, and unrealistic 'solution' to a complex problem. But you're right; Jill Biden hasn't promoted any overly simplistic, ineffective and unrealistic catchphrase message for the complex drug problem in this country.
 
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