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Cont: 2024 Election Thread part 3

dudalb said:
CONtrary to some here, I still think the will of the voters will be important in the USA.
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The voters seem to be quite emphatic as of yesterday. What remains to be seen is how emphatically they will remain to their understanding of his "platform," or their cognitive dissonance regarding the sunk cost of their vote.
 
Resume said:
The voters seem to be quite emphatic as of yesterday. What remains to be seen is how emphatically they will remain to their understanding of his "platform," or their cognitive dissonance regarding the sunk cost of their vote.
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Key word is as of yesterday.
 
dirtywick said:
unfortunately the issue at hand is whether or not it's important to donald trump, specifically
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Thus far he seems to go with whatever the most recent person to speak to him says, provided that person is sufficiently deferential to him. So if a national abortion ban lands on his desk and the person standing nearest says "Sir, this is your moment to show America how brave and awesome you are, they'll love you for it!" he'll do it. Alternatively if the nearest person says "Sir, you are way more smarter than Obama, you would definitely have the guts to pour salt into your eyes" he'd do that instead.
 
One thing is sure: like Harris said in her speech, despair will do no good at all.And I might add, will help Trump and the GOP.
 
So the mayor of Oakland and the local prosecutor just lost recall votes. And the L.A. DA was voted out. And Prop 36 passed. This year's election looks a referendum on left-wing lunacy. Well done, California!
 
Trausti said:
So the mayor of Oakland and the local prosecutor just lost recall votes. And the L.A. DA was voted out. And Prop 36 passed. This year's election looks a referendum on left-wing lunacy. Well done, California!
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And for the most part inclumbent Democrats were reelected.
And the Oakland recall seems to have been more about the Mayor's questionable handling of finance then anything else.
And one of the leaders of the recall is pretty left wing herself.
Nice attempt to portray this as some victory for the far right in California.
Naturally you like prop 36, since it will put more minority youths in jail.
 
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dudalb said:
And for the most part inclumbent Democrats were reelected.
And the Oakland recall seems to have been more about the Mayor's questionable handling of finance then anything else.
And one of the leaders of the recall is pretty left wing herself.
Nice attempt to portray this as some victory for the far right in California.
Naturally you like prop 36, since it will put more minority youths in jail.
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I'm not trying to say this is right wing victory. I'm saying these are victories for common sense. Dems didn't used coddle criminals and promote societal decline. The police unions used to be reliably Dem voting blocks. When Feinstein ran for S.F. mayor she said she was going after the criminals. Would be nice if that Dem party made a return.
 
Trausti said:
He's going to cut government. One of the best things you can do for ordinary people is to get government out of their lives.
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How does enacting a federal abortion ban "get government out of their lives"?
How does banning books that make god-botherers uncomfortable "get government out of their lives"?
How does banning the teaching of America's racist history "get government out of their lives"?
How does abrogating the rights of gays, lesbians and transgender people "get government out of their lives"?
 
Tero said:
Where is the "election was stolen" thread? How many voters did GOP officials manage to turn away in PA?
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That's the thing. The "election was stolen" stuff, especially around election day, tends to be Republican stuff. Democrats saying similar tend to have notably more fact and evidence behind it. Had things been closer or Republicans lost, we'd be hearing lots from them, much of it utter BS, yet again, and the open plots to actually steal the election would likely have been triggered. Trump and co laid lots of groundwork to try to do so, after all, overwhelmingly in the form of utter BS and misinformation, but not just that. Democrats didn't.

With that said, as it was, lots of heavily Democratic areas in multiple states apparently had bomb threats that disrupted operations. How many voters decided not to vote because of those disruptions is rather hard to tell, like is the case with a number of Republican voter suppression tactics. Ballots in drop boxes in heavily Democratic areas were burned in multiple states in the lead up to the election, but are unlikely to have changed things notably. Other things could be noted, but most of them are not new and don't really need rehashed.

Trausti said:
I'm not trying to say this is right wing victory. I'm saying these are victories for common sense. Dems didn't used coddle criminals and promote societal decline. The police unions used to be reliably Dem voting blocks. When Feinstein ran for S.F. mayor she said she was going after the criminals. Would be nice if that Dem party made a return.
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Uh huh. You do realize that Republicans electing a brazen criminal who surrounds himself with criminals and eggs on criminal conduct rather makes your pretense ridiculous from the start, right?

Quite literally, you rejected an actual prosecutor in favored of a coddled convicted felon and rapist. Face it, "common sense" isn't actually your guide here.
 
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