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Are we entertaining "Trump said Left handed people kick puppies and the next day a bunch of left handed people got beat in the street by people shouting 'stop kicking puppies!" as some reasonable counter narrative we're supposed to entertain?

Yes I'm also sure that idiot just decided all on his own that Hillary had a secret child sex dungeon in a pizza parlor basement. I'm sure without Wakefield we'd have the same number of antivaxxers.
 
Looks like I was correct when I said "For all we know, that goose was roadkill." (post 1977):
Separately, an explanation for a viral photo of a man carrying two geese in Columbus, Ohio, has been made, although it also helped set off the now-discredited rumors about pet-eating in nearby Springfield.

The Ohio state division of wildlife told TMZ that the man had been picking up the two geese that had been hit by a car. The agency also reported that there is no evidence that the man is Haitian, an immigrant or that he intended to eat the geese.
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Additionally, the woman who unintentionally started the 'eating pets' lie stated:

On Friday, a Springfield woman, Erika Lee, apologized for rumors about Haitian immigrants eating pets that resulted from a post she wrote on Facebook claiming that the friend of a neighbor’s daughter lost her cat – and then found the animal strung up outside the home of a Haitian family.

Lee now says she had no firsthand knowledge of the claim. The neighbor referenced in the post, Kimberly Newton, revealed that she also had heard the story from an acquaintance and not her daughter.

Lee said she was filled with regret and insists she never intended to put a target on the backs of the Haitian community.

“It just exploded into something I didn’t mean to happen,” Lee told NBC News on Friday.
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The fact the cat was found strung up outside a Haitian family's home is more likely to indicate hateful harassment toward them.
 
JayUtah said:
Anyone who thinks you can walk up to a goose and just take it hasn't been within 100 meters of an actual goose.
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Minor correction, but from personal experience you can walk up to any group of geese that populate an urban or suburban pond/lake and ring their neck with ease. They are so used to being fed (like squirrels in a park) that they are completely unafraid or wary of humans.
 
stanfr said:
Minor correction, but from personal experience you can walk up to any group of geese that populate an urban or suburban pond/lake and ring their neck with ease. They are so used to being fed (like squirrels in a park) that they are completely unafraid or wary of humans.
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This.

We have a local population of Canada geese that are habitutated to humans. We also have a homeless community that likely takes advantage of this.
 
As I previously quoted and cited: the goose in the photo allegedly killed by an immigrant in Columbus, OH was determined to have been one of two geese killed by a car. The man was not identified so there is no evidence he is an immigrant.
 
Stacyhs said:
As I previously quoted and cited: the goose in the photo allegedly killed by an immigrant in Columbus, OH was determined to have been one of two geese killed by a car. The man was not identified so there is no evidence he is an immigrant.
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Yeah, also you said we don't know if he intended to eat it. He might have taken it so his kids have something to play with, or maybe he simply had a collection of roadkills. One must never assume.
 
I'm going off on a limb here and assume Canada Goose taste terrible. As large and as common as they are they would be at least a niche food bird if they tasted even "people who have weird taste" good.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I'm going off on a limb here and assume Canada Goose taste terrible. As large and as common as they are they would be at least a niche food bird if they tasted even "people who have weird taste" good.
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They can be chewy, but taste like mild beef. Depends on how you cook them. The meat is dark, and takes well to a mild smoke. Lots of people make goose jerky.

I find it a bit fishy, sort of like duck.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I'm going off on a limb here and assume Canada Goose taste terrible. As large and as common as they are they would be at least a niche food bird if they tasted even "people who have weird taste" good.
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It's actually perfectly ok as food: https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment...st-dinner-it-would-help-clean-this-kpiti-lake

I've eaten it myself, and while it doesn't compare with duck, goose was so popular here in early NZ settlement that mutton was often passed off as goose to the extent that "colonial goose" has its own Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_goose
 
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Yeah, also you said we don't know if he intended to eat it. He might have taken it so his kids have something to play with, or maybe he simply had a collection of roadkills. One must never assume.
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Maybe he was going to leave it in a park next to a bicycle. Or practice taxidermy. Or feed his dogs. Or give it to Tiny Tim for Christmas. But he certainly didn't kill it.
 
Goose, as arthwollipot says was once the traditional Michaelmas and Christmas dish.

Flocks of geese were driven on foot from farms in Lincolnshire, Cambridgeshire and Norfolk to be sold at the annual Goose Fair in Nottingham. It's recorded that up to 20,000 geese were driven along "Goose Gate" into Nottingham's Old Market Square at the height of the trade. They were sold to game dealers and wholesalers from around the country.
Geese that had hatched in the spring were ready for the table by the end of September.


There were other similar fairs around the country, the one in Tavistock was quite large.


Michaelmas was celebrated on 29 September to mark the end of the harvest season, I suppose goose declined in popularity with the decline of Michaelmas celebrations and the rise in popularity of Turkey after the war, they are cheaper and easier to rear.
 
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Unsurprisingly, Trump continued to lie in CA:

1. Trump again falsely claims crime skyrocketed under the Biden administration

CLAIM: New numbers show that crime has skyrocketed under the Biden administration.

THE FACTS: Violent crime surged during the pandemic, with homicides increasing nearly 30% in 2020 over the previous year — the largest one-year jump since the FBI began keeping records.
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On Friday, Trump cited numbers he said were from the “bureau of justice statistics” to claim crime was up. This appears to be a reference to the National Crime Victimization Survey recently released by the Justice Department, which shows that the number of times people were victims of violent crime increased by about 40% from 2020 to 2023. The report notes, however, that while the rate of violent victimizations in 2023 was higher than it was in 2020 and 2021, it was not statistically different from the rate in 2019, when Trump was president.
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2. No basis for claims that violent crime has spiked as a result of the influx of migrants[

CLAIM: Thousands of people are being killed by “illegal migrants” in the U.S.

THE FACTS: This is not supported by evidence. FBI statistics do not separate crimes by the immigration status of the assailant, nor is there any evidence of a spike in crime perpetrated by migrants, either along the U.S.-Mexico border or in cities seeing the greatest influx of migrants, like New York. In fact, national statistics show violent crime is on the way down.
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3. Inflation has not reached record levels

CLAIM: Prices have gone up “like no one’s ever seen before.”

THE FACTS: That’s not accurate. Inflation did soar in 2021-22, though it rose by much more in 1980 when inflation topped 14%. It peaked at 9.1% in June 2022.
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Inflation has now fallen to 2.5%, not far from the Federal Reserve’s 2% target. Prices are still about 19% higher than they were before the pandemic, but the Census Bureau reported Tuesday that household incomes have risen by a similar amount, leaving inflation-adjusted incomes at roughly the same level as they were in 2019.
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4. Trump raises false claims to suggest voting systems are fraudulent
CLAIM: The voting system isn’t honest. Millions and millions of ballots are sent out “all over the place. Some people get two, three, four or five.”

THE FACTS: Election officials have procedures in place to ensure that only one mail ballot is issued to each eligible voter. When a voter requests a mail ballot, election officials will verify that person’s eligibility by checking voter registration records -- looking to match the voter’s information to what’s on file and, in some cases, checking that the voter’s signature matches as well.
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5. Trump misrepresents a revision of U.S. job numbers

CLAIM: A whistleblower forced the government’s recent downward revision of job gains by 818,000.

THE FACTS: That’s false. The preliminary revision occurred as part of a normal annual process and was released on a previously disclosed date. Every year the Labor Department issues a revision of the number of jobs added during a 12-month period from April through March in the previous year.
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6. The Biden administration is not secretly flying hundreds of thousands of migrants into the country

CLAIM: Harris and the Biden administration are secretly flying in hundreds of thousands of “illegal immigrants.”

THE FACTS: Migrants are not secretly being flown into the U.S. by the government. Under a Biden policy in effect since January 2023, up to 30,000 people from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela can enter the country monthly if they apply online with a financial sponsor and arrive at a specified airport, paying their own way. Biden exercised his “parole” authority, which, under a 1952 law, allows him to admit people “only on a case-by-case basis for urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit.”
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7. The Biden administration is not secretly flying hundreds of thousands of migrants into the country

CLAIM: Harris and the Biden administration are secretly flying in hundreds of thousands of “illegal immigrants.”

THE FACTS: Migrants are not secretly being flown into the U.S. by the government. Under a Biden policy in effect since January 2023, up to 30,000 people from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela can enter the country monthly if they apply online with a financial sponsor and arrive at a specified airport, paying their own way. Biden exercised his “parole” authority, which, under a 1952 law, allows him to admit people “only on a case-by-case basis for urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit.”
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Can we decide on whether it's ridiculous to suggest that immigrants are eating geese or that geese are good eating? Because if they are good eating, why would immigrants not chow down? These aren't pets, they are wild birds that get eaten every day. I get that we don't kill ducks at the duck pond, but that's cultural.
 
Brainster said:
Can we decide on whether it's ridiculous to suggest that immigrants are eating geese or that geese are good eating? Because if they are good eating, why would immigrants not chow down? These aren't pets, they are wild birds that get eaten every day. I get that we don't kill ducks at the duck pond, but that's cultural.
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Again, killing geese out of season is a crime; would potential U.S. citizens put their pending status in jeopardy for an easy meal? Unless in extremis, I think not.

But of course this isn't the main claim made by the Trump/Vance team, is it?
 
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