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Cont: 2024 Election Thread part 2

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And usual reminger it is early in the campaign. n fact the main event has not even started yet.
 
TragicMonkey said:
In the US most of the working class doesn't consider itself to be the working class, it thinks it's middle class.
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For a while a lot of the blue collars workers were Middle class as far as income goes.\In the US you never had the division between working and middle class you have in some countries. Much to the frustration of the more readical left.
 
arthwollipot said:
The idea that Trump is an ally of the working class is the second-biggest lie he has ever told.
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CarbShark said:
Which begs the question...
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Which begs the question, why do the Democrats continue to alienate their historical base by embracing wildly unpopular policies like poorly controlled borders, DEI, and radical gender ideology?
 
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theprestige said:
I guess working class people are pro union. Maybe pro abortion, but I doubt it. I see no reason they're pro every luxury belief espoused by upper middle class progressives.
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To hazard a very over simplified assessment, pro union, pro more left-wing economics and taxation, pro good jobs, anti-corruption, and so on. Pro women's rights is likely also the case - about 2 thirds of Americans support such, after all, and the main groups that oppose aren't particularly well described by class.

As a general rule, left wing policy, especially economic policy, is popular policy. The working class naturally tends to support the left, but there are a bunch of factors in the US (and elsewhere) that have helped push it towards the right. Elections are only somewhat swayed by overarching policy, after all. Other factors include how the right-wing has harnessed the politics of resentment, for example, while also being the primary driver of most of the factors that create that resentment.

I'm entirely willing to agree that concepts like "white privilege," of course, are less popular, however true they may be.
 
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The issue isn't Trump supporting workers - he very clearly isn't.
It's that neither are Democrats, but at least Trump pretends he does.
That allows him to position himself to look pro- labor, which is something that's unique about Trump and that other Republicans wouldn't get away with doing.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The issue isn't Trump supporting workers - he very clearly isn't.
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Yet, the right-wing propagandists try hard to pretend that he does, as far as I've seen. That fairly certainly has a fair bit to do with where Samson's coming from.

The Great Zaganza said:
It's that neither are Democrats, but at least Trump pretends he does.
That allows him to position himself to look pro- labor, which is something that's unique about Trump and that other Republicans wouldn't get away with doing.
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Ehh... Objectively speaking, Democrats try to do so. It's frequently relatively boring and foundational stuff, though, at last check. Stuff that doesn't attract media attention much, in contrast to the showy and ineffective measures that Republicans seem to prefer to distract from the sabotage of foundational stuff that they keep doing. Republicans have also created and exploited grievance to position themselves as being on the people's side and pretend that Democrats aren't, which affects support of a number of things by association.
 
Brainster said:
Trump pretty much was a high-end developer; he was building luxury towers, not subdivisions.
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He started as a slum lord.

Then again if you think his money comes from his property development, I think you're wrong. For many years it came from his media work and thereafter from licencing his name. The property business acted as a fiscal drag.

The working classes do fund his political career, his lawsuits and they buy his gegaws like his NFTs.
 
dudalb said:
Trump will speak to a convention of BLack Journlaist tommorow. That is going to go well....
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A lot of people are protesting the decision to have him speak there - https://www.npr.org/2024/07/30/nx-s1-5057623/trumps-nabj-black-journalists-convention-speech

However, placing tinfoil hat on. Did they allow him in hoping he flubs his speech for some sound bites to use against him? I can see him dropping some N-bombs and being clueless as to why the audience reacts badly. Will have to wait and see.
 
Aridas said:
Clueless, perhaps. Rooted in BS and fallacy, fairly certainly. Not gibberish.
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A thoroughly counter-factual post written in an opaque manner qualifies as gibberish so far as I'm concerned.

In this case, he's trying to claim that America's infrastructure was built by the far right. Fundamentally, of course, that's rather inane. The further to the right one goes on the spectrum, the more it is about the individual. The further to the left one goes on the spectrum, the more it is about the community as a whole. Public infrastructure is all about benefiting the community, not the individual. To poke at an easy contrast in how that plays out in practice, as we saw plenty well during Trump's last term, when Republican had a trifecta, the far right was busy trying to sabotage America's public infrastructure and sell it all off to the highest bidders. During Biden's term, when Democrats had a trifecta (barely), there was immense investment in repairing and building America's infrastructure to be more prepared for the future.
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Indeed. Although there are Republicans who have advanced infrastructure, such as Eisenhower. But Eisenhower wasn't far right by any definition.

I bet Samson can't name one far right entity who advanced infrastructure. No googling, Samson. That should gave happened before you posted that gibberish, when you read whatever cockamamie post on X and accepted it as fact.
 
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