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The Supreme Court decision on voting in Pennsylvania is a VERY dangerous one. It will allow rampant and unchecked cheating and will undermine our entire systems of laws. It will also induce violence in the streets. Something must be done!
 
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Over the next 4 years, we will teach our children to love our Country, honor our history, and always respect our great American Flag—and with God’s help, we will defend the right to life, religious liberty, and the right to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS!

I just signed an executive order to teach our students PRO-AMERICAN Values!
 
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Biden would increase refugees from terrorist nations by 700%. His plan would overwhelm your communities and turn Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin and the entire Midwest into a refugee camp. I am protecting your families and keeping Radical Islamic Terrorists OUT of our Country!
 
Meadmaker said:
I can't believe our nation has descended into the sort of place where Wal-Mart decides it's best to take the guns and ammo off of display in advance of an election. This is not the America I grew up in. I just hope the America I knew is still present under the surface and can come out when this election is over.
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I think these feelings were there - just not given as much expression. Shoot - remember 10 years ago when the tea party (who had not cared about deficits during the W/Cheney admin) started and used overtly racist anti-Obama propaganda? There's a group of Americans that is profoundly anti-change, and they've been enabled. The genie is out of the bottle and it's not going back - especially as change becomes more rapid and this group sees their demographics waning. Some of the GOP leaders are open about essentially being anti-democratic - and will be forceful in keeping those mechanisms in place (electoral college, lifetime appts for SCOTUS judges, gerrymandering, not allowing DC & PR statehood - and of course, the senate)

I've lived &/or spent significant time in rural and urban Nebraska, eastern and Western MA, NYC, central NJ, Green Bay WI, southern Florida, southern California, Bay Area, South Carolina and Denver area. As a result of these exposures, I've long thought that there are 'two Americas' (more than that, really). When I was younger I had fond thoughts of reconciling them, but increasingly that hope as waned. At this point, I think it's in the best interests of the country to dissolve amicably.

Yes, I realize this will be difficult. :scared: But I don't see any signs of a reconciliation, and the SCOTUS composition is going to exacerbate the inflammation - possibly starting in the next few weeks. That on top of the ongoing pandemic and the economic issues (not to mention the likely effects of climate change).
 
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Some people were concerned about right-wing attempts to suppress votes in Texas, by throwing out a bunch of ballots cast via a drive-through setup. Turns out the votes are safe. And the judge (a republican-nominated judge)... wasn't happy.

From: NPR
U.S. District Court Judge Andrew Hanen on Monday threw out a suit challenging the legality of some 127,000 votes cast at drive-through voting sites in the Houston area. He ruled the plaintiffs don't have legal standing to sue.

The judge also pointed out that the drive-through voting had been going on since the primaries, so he questioned why he was only seeing the case now.
 
If by some trickery Trump gets re-elected, it's not going to be good for us or Trump. He will put up a big party for his supporters in January, and that will be it. He will get almost nothing passed, write endless executive orders and, I predict, will hand it over to Pence by May.
 
Segnosaur said:
Some people were concerned about right-wing attempts to suppress votes in Texas, by throwing out a bunch of ballots cast via a drive-through setup. Turns out the votes are safe. And the judge (a republican-nominated judge)... wasn't happy.

From: NPR
U.S. District Court Judge Andrew Hanen on Monday threw out a suit challenging the legality of some 127,000 votes cast at drive-through voting sites in the Houston area. He ruled the plaintiffs don't have legal standing to sue.

The judge also pointed out that the drive-through voting had been going on since the primaries, so he questioned why he was only seeing the case now.
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It's more than that, he's widely regarded as one of the most partisan judges in the US. He led a crusade from the bench against DACA during Obama's presidency, and he was so blatantly partisan even Orly Taitz tried to score a court hearing with him.

It's also worth noting that his intentions were a bit unclear during the course of the hearing, at some point it sounded like he would allow the votes already collected to be counted, but disallow drive-through voting for election day itself.
 
Louden Wilde said:
I think these feelings were there - just not given as much expression. Shoot - remember 10 years ago when the tea party (who had not cared about deficits during the W/Cheney admin) started and used overtly racist anti-Obama propaganda? There's a group of Americans that is profoundly anti-change, and they've been enabled. The genie is out of the bottle and it's not going back - especially as change becomes more rapid and this group sees their demographics waning. Some of the GOP leaders are open about essentially being anti-democratic - and will be forceful in keeping those mechanisms in place (electoral college, lifetime appts for SCOTUS judges, gerrymandering, not allowing DC & PR statehood - and of course, the senate)

I've lived &/or spent significant time in rural and urban Nebraska, eastern and Western MA, NYC, central NJ, Green Bay WI, southern Florida, southern California, Bay Area, South Carolina and Denver area. As a result of these exposures, I've long thought that there are 'two Americas' (more than that, really). When I was younger I had fond thoughts of reconciling them, but increasingly that hope as waned. At this point, I think it's in the best interests of the country to dissolve amicably.

Yes, I realize this will be difficult. :scared: But I don't see any signs of a reconciliation, and the SCOTUS composition is going to exacerbate the inflammation - possibly starting in the next few weeks. That on top of the ongoing pandemic and the economic issues (not to mention the likely effects of climate change).
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How the hell do you dissolve amicably? This isn't a North South split, it's an urban rural split.

I think resolving the differences would be easier than splitting rural areas from urban areas.
 
acbytesla said:
How the hell do you dissolve amicably? This isn't a North South split, it's an urban rural split.

I think resolving the differences would be easier than splitting rural areas from urban areas.
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Probably a patchwork of solutions would be required - some states might split. In some cases, perhaps compensate people to relocate. No doubt it would be difficult. But - to use a somewhat trite metaphor - this is getting to be like that couple that has hated each for years other both staying in marriage - which was originally done "for the kids" - but is now just because neither wants to give up the house, dog, etc.

Bottom line for me is that from what I can see, things are getting worse/more polarized. Every likely scenario I can think of suggests the next few years will only exacerbate these differences further. How do you envision the differences getting resolved?
 
KDLarsen said:
It's also worth noting that his intentions were a bit unclear during the course of the hearing, at some point it sounded like he would allow the votes already collected to be counted, but disallow drive-through voting for election day itself.
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That's probably the most reasonable position he could have taken.

Because, after this ruling, anyone who votes tomorrow at a drive-through voting center should have their head examined. It was reasonable to use this option when every official involved was telling you it was okay, but at this point, you have to know that there's a pretty good chance that election-day drive through votes will be rejected.

It gives the GOP a symbolic win, that will be hard for them to "appeal" without looking stupidly partisan, while still allowing the already-cast votes to stand.
 
Horatius said:
That's probably the most reasonable position he could have taken.

Because, after this ruling, anyone who votes tomorrow at a drive-through voting center should have their head examined. It was reasonable to use this option when every official involved was telling you it was okay, but at this point, you have to know that there's a pretty good chance that election-day drive through votes will be rejected.

It gives the GOP a symbolic win, that will be hard for them to "appeal" without looking stupidly partisan, while still allowing the already-cast votes to stand.
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To be fair, he did follow it up with the statement, that were the 5th circuit to reverse, he would still allow the votes to be counted and that the drive-through setup satisfied state law as far as the physical structure of the polling station was concerned.
 
KDLarsen said:
To be fair, he did follow it up with the statement, that were the 5th circuit to reverse, he would still allow the votes to be counted and that the drive-through setup satisfied state law as far as the physical structure of the polling station was concerned.
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It really is ridiculous to think there is anything at all wrong with the curbside voting that makes it unfair.

The GOP just wants to suppress the vote in an area that has demographic that they fear will vote heavily for the opposition.
 
acbytesla said:
It really is ridiculous to think there is anything at all wrong with the curbside voting that makes it unfair.

The GOP just wants to suppress the vote in an area that has demographic that they fear will vote heavily for the opposition.
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“You have to obey the rules!” So says the party that laughs at, spits on, and wipes their butt raw with the rules whenever they like.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
The following tweet by Trump has been flagged by Twitter with a warning that

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The Supreme Court decision on voting in Pennsylvania is a VERY dangerous one. It will allow rampant and unchecked cheating and will undermine our entire systems of laws. It will also induce violence in the streets. Something must be done!
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He must be referring to the state SC.
 
Tero said:
If by some trickery Trump gets re-elected, it's not going to be good for us or Trump. He will put up a big party for his supporters in January, and that will be it. He will get almost nothing passed, write endless executive orders and, I predict, will hand it over to [fire] Pence by May.
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ftfy

Maybe install Ivanka as VP.


But I don't believe any of that is going to happen.
 
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