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Dirty Old Man is a common phrase.

People on the internet seeking arguments sometimes pretend not to understand common phrases.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Another one unfamiliar with a common English term. Is it actually English, as in primarily used in England and not in the US? I know it came up in episodes of Rumpole of the Bailey back in the 70s. Not Rumpole himself, of course, but some of his clients.
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I know what the term means and I sincerely doubt it is applied when a sexual connotation isn't at least implied. Is Great Aunt Elsie a 'dirty old woman' in my example above?
 
TragicMonkey said:
Ordinarily I'd say "you'd have to ask Elsie's therapist" but wasn't there a thread earlier, something about whether people could do a psychological diagnosis remotely without examining the patient? Perhaps such a skill could be applied to imaginary persons as well as real ones.
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That's a ludicrous non-sequitur.
 
tyr_13 said:
This is going to be a running theme from me, but just because the Trump GOP will not do it's duty or uphold their stated morals is not justification for the Dems to do the same. Sure, writing off external criticism might well be justified, but the Dems can't write off all internal disagreement as out of touch, or mean, or in bad faith because it's less than the GOP's sins. Of course it is, but so?
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The usual Democratic Party response to such things recently is to browbeat everyone into excusing or overlooking problematic behavior or undesirable characteristics "for the good of the party", to beat the more evil Republicans, etc etc. I don't know about other left-learning persons, but I for one am sick of being told to just accept it for the greater good. Slouching into crapitude over the years has ruined the party. The greater good is no longer good enough.
 
TragicMonkey said:
The usual Democratic Party response to such things recently is to browbeat everyone into excusing or overlooking problematic behavior or undesirable characteristics "for the good of the party", to beat the more evil Republicans, etc etc. I don't know about other left-learning persons, but I for one am sick of being told to just accept it for the greater good. Slouching into crapitude over the years has ruined the party. The greater good is no longer good enough.
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A fair point, especially when it is exactly the time for such discussions on internal choices. I get the need to avoid absolute purity tests, but let's walk the walk on subjects we actually claim to care about. Caring more than the GOP isn't a good standard in the least.

And oddly enough, that's one reason I'm no longer supporting Bernie. Yeah I'd still vote for him over Trump, but I don't want him to get the nomination.
 
Check out this DFA (hard-core Democrat activists) poll:

In DFA’s first 2020 straw poll, in December, Biden was running second to Sanders at 15 percent, followed by O’Rourke at 12 percent. By this month, Biden’s support had fallen to about 8 percent, while O’Rourke slid to about 3 percent.

Meanwhile, Sanders drew 42 percent support, up about 6 percentage points from December. Warren saw support for her candidacy tick up to about 11 percent, according to the poll, followed by South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg at about 10 percent.
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How bad are things for Beto? He got half the support of Mike Gravel:

Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg and Biden were followed in the latest straw poll by Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), at about 7 percent support. Former Sen. Mike Gravel of Alaska was just behind Harris, at about 6 percent.
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When you're behind an 89-year old 9-11 Truther, you might not be destined for the Oval Office.
 
theprestige said:
Dirty old man really is a common phrase, though. And it really is appropriate in this context.
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According to some, sure. But not everyone sees it that way and there is no evidence of any sexual harassment or clear sexual touching. So you have no evidence it was sexual.
 
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Bernie Sanders clearly leading among likely primary voters. To be fair, in this same point in the run-up to the 2008 primaries, Hillary Clinton was leading second Barack Obama by a similar figure.
 
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Bernie Sanders clearly leading among likely primary voters. To be fair, in this same point in the run-up to the 2008 primaries, Hillary Clinton was leading second Barack Obama by a similar figure.
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In New Hampshire.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It's says a lot that you blame the victims of the loan sharks.
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When did I blame students? I said some of them would be better off without the loan. That’s not an assignment of blame.

But I’m glad to see you can recognize the government is acting like a loan shark.
 
I watched CNN's townhall last night and the highlight of the evening was when Mayor Pete Buttigieg was asked a question and he responded (I'm paraphrasing): "I'm not a master fisherman but I know bait when I see it and that is bait, I'm not answering the question" and the crowd loved it, it was a refreshing way to respond to a disingenuous question (I don't remember exactly what the question was)

ETA: I found the clip:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...ke-pence-hate-hoax-bait-town-hall-sot-vpx.cnn
 
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Ziggurat said:
When did I blame students? I said some of them would be better off without the loan. That’s not an assignment of blame.

But I’m glad to see you can recognize the government is acting like a loan shark.
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The problem is greater with private lenders and private colleges. How is the government acting as the loan shark?

As for your goal post moving, I have no time for that.
 
TragicMonkey said:
The usual Democratic Party response to such things recently is to browbeat everyone into excusing or overlooking problematic behavior or undesirable characteristics "for the good of the party", to beat the more evil Republicans, etc etc. I don't know about other left-learning persons, but I for one am sick of being told to just accept it for the greater good. Slouching into crapitude over the years has ruined the party. The greater good is no longer good enough.
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Extremely well put.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The Greater Good is still way better than the alternative.
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The lesser evil is still evil so choosing it takes you in the undesired direction anyway. You may as well make a stand on principle so at you at least have the satisfaction of doing the right thing. If enough people did that we would stop moving or even reverse course.
 
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