Merged 2019-nCoV / Corona virus

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Latest is a supposed viral video I did not see myself but that the New York Post reported on....

"I am in the area where the coronavirus started," the nurse says in the video.

"I'm here to tell the truth," she adds. "At this moment, Hubei province, including the Wuhan area, even China, 90,000 people have been infected by a coronavirus."
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There are a few videos on youtube, allegedly showing how bad the situation in China really is. People collapsing in the streets and chaotic scenes. But these videos are mainly posted on conspiracy channels.

I've skimmed through some of it. Well, the situations seems to be real. But you can't tell if it is because of 2019-nCoV or from a totally different event.

For example:

 
rjh01 said:
The third possibility is that the measures taken did not work. That is, the results would be the same if people did nothing. Wearing face masks, for example, do little to protect you against a virus. All what they will do is protect others if you have a virus. And that assumes that the main method is transmission via the air. And then a person takes a mask off to wash, eat or drink and they can start spreading the virus. Or should that only be done alone? And that room sterilised between uses?

Edit. Here is a reference on wearing masks that cover similar issues to what I have mentioned. It does so in the context of flu, but either the virus is spread in a similar way to flu or masks are worthless to protect yourself

https://newoldage.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/16/in-flu-seasonuse-a-mask-but-which-one/
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Face masks do sorta work, at least for the flu and colds, but not the way most people think.

Apparently, a common transmission path is you touch a surface, with your fingers, a surface that has "germs" (maybe someone with the flu coughed nearby in the last few hours, or put their germy hand on that surface); your fingers are thus "contaminated". No biggie, just use a hand sanitizer or soap and water, right? But what if you - unconsciously - touch your mouth or nose before? Bingo! You are now infected!

But if you're wearing a face mask, chances are you won't stick your contaminated finger up your nose (at least not before washing your hands). :D
 
carlosy said:
There are a few videos on youtube, allegedly showing how bad the situation in China really is. People collapsing in the streets and chaotic scenes. But these videos are mainly posted on conspiracy channels.

I've skimmed through some of it. Well, the situations seems to be real. But you can't tell if it is because of 2019-nCoV or from a totally different event.

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My hilite.

China is a big country. Things in parts of Wuhan (the city) are undoubtedly rather grim, and perhaps in some other places nearby, in Hebei (the province), too. From what I've heard, from one source living in Shanghai, the main effect has been to make the streets eerily quiet, for this time of year. Not good for local small businesses, and lots of inventory purchased for the New Year large family meals normal in restaurants will surely have to be thrown out.
 
JeanTate said:
Face masks do sorta work, at least for the flu and colds, but not the way most people think.

Apparently, a common transmission path is you touch a surface, with your fingers, a surface that has "germs" (maybe someone with the flu coughed nearby in the last few hours, or put their germy hand on that surface); your fingers are thus "contaminated". No biggie, just use a hand sanitizer or soap and water, right? But what if you - unconsciously - touch your mouth or nose before? Bingo! You are now infected!

But if you're wearing a face mask, chances are you won't stick your contaminated finger up your nose (at least not before washing your hands). :D
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If everyone was wearing mask, it would help immensely. It could cut the transfer rate by 100, maybe even more. And people thinking the masks will protect them directly, is good way to achieve that.
The masks also have to be available though.
 
Dr.Sid said:
If everyone was wearing mask, it would help immensely. It could cut the transfer rate by 100, maybe even more. And people thinking the masks will protect them directly, is good way to achieve that.
The masks also have to be available though.
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This is something I´ve thought for a long time, we should copy the Japanese and wear masks whenever we have an illness. I find it really annoying when people show up at work, or in a lift or in a train, coughing and sneezing with no mask, passing it on to everyone else. I´d happily adopt the Japanese custom (when other people do too, I don´t want to be the only freak doing it). Hopefully someone will start a campaign.
 
Dr.Sid said:
If everyone was wearing mask, it would help immensely. It could cut the transfer rate by 100, maybe even more. And people thinking the masks will protect them directly, is good way to achieve that.
The masks also have to be available though.
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Sure, for the flu (and likely for “colds”).

However, I’m not sure even the most common transmission pathways for the new CoV are well-understood. Widespread wearing of face masks will undoubtedly help reduce infections, but by how much? Perhaps there are far more effective methods?

From memory, an uncommon, but nonetheless important, method by which SARS was spread, in Hong Kong was via leaky sewerage downpipes ... in some high rise apartment buildings (of which there are a great many in HK), those pipes from upper floors pass through lower apartments. And some had (small) leaks, resulting in the virus becoming airborne in a confined space ...
 
The Great Zaganza said:
I understood the WHO announcement more to mean that they are waiting for more data before giving a recommendation.
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Of course, they are continually analyzing new data.

But it's not like they had scant data currently.

They may eventually call an emergency.

I'm telling ya, but people don't believe me: This is a very serious pathogen but there are not massive fatalities.

So far I haven't heard of any young healthy people dying. Though I have not yet seen the demographics of the fatalities, it appears most have been elderly.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Of course, they are continually analyzing new data.

But it's not like they had scant data currently.

They may eventually call an emergency.

I'm telling ya, but people don't believe me: This is a very serious pathogen but there are not massive fatalities.

So far I haven't heard of any young healthy people dying. Though I have not yet seen the demographics of the fatalities, it appears most have been elderly.
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They are, average is over 70. But that's the thing. 50 dead over 70, in season of colds, for 11 million city, is normal. Yet the city is under unprecedented quarantine. So my guess would be it's not 50 dead over 70. It's way way worse.
 
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They are, average is over 70. But that's the thing. 50 dead over 70, in season of colds, for 11 million city, is normal. Yet the city is under unprecedented quarantine. So my guess would be it's not 50 dead over 70. It's way way worse.
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Since the case count and death toll are going up daily, I'm sure it's "worse".

But way worse is relative.

Did you worry when the 2009 flu epidemic hit this country?

Here's some comparable information:
Comparisons to other pandemics and epidemics
Annual influenza epidemics are estimated to affect 5–15% of the global population. Although most cases are mild, these epidemics still cause severe illness in 3–5 million people and 290,000–650,000 deaths worldwide.[181] On average 41,400 people die of influenza-related illnesses each year in the United States, based on data collected between 1979 and 2001.[182] In industrialised countries, severe illness and deaths occur mainly in the high-risk populations of infants, the elderly and chronically ill patients,[181] although the H1N1 flu outbreak (like the 1918 Spanish flu) differs in its tendency to affect younger, healthier people.[183]...
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It's important to keep perspective here.
 
Dr.Sid said:
That's what I'm talking about. So far it's nothing special. Not worth mentioning. Yet China panics. Why ?
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I wouldn't call it panic. They have stringent means of trying to control the outbreak you probably wouldn't see in other countries.

Consider the culture of their government.



On another note, WA State is now testing 8 people with symptoms that may have been in contact with someone with confirmed infection. I assume that is going to be 8 people our index person came in contact with. But it could be other people arriving from China. We have a large population of Chinese here and some of them did travel to China for the Lunar New Year.

:popcorn1
 
Venom said:
The National Institutes of Health is apparently working on a vaccine they say could be available in three months.
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Too late.

Currently, it grows exponentially. That means on day 42, 7 Billion poeple will be infected.

;)

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