2016 The Movie

mhaze said:
wayne's world? Ya think? > 180M gross world wide.
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Yeah, I think. If D'Souza gets even a piddling percentage of that $180 million, and his goal is to defeat Obama by getting his information to the voters, he should be buying public access and infomercial time right and left. Time is of the essence.

If, on the other hand, his goal is to fatten his own pocketbook by feeding the gullible portion of the religious right exactly the sort of product he knows they crave, then he'll probably just keep doing that.

mhaze said:
why would you think that after absorbing the facts about Obama put forth in the movie, some people wouldn't say...

"Now that's my kinda guy, I sure gonna for for him".
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I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know how factual or convincing it might be. If D'Souza puts it on TV (or uploads it to YouTube! - surely his investors have recouped their investment, and TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE), I promise I'll watch it.

Somebody should tell him that.
 
zeggman said:
....If, on the other hand, his goal is to fatten his own pocketbook by feeding the gullible portion of the religious right exactly the sort of product he knows they crave.....
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Religious right? News to me. so this movie has something to do with or panders to the religious right? I would have thought they'd not want to watch something produced by a believer in evolution.

Guess we learn things all the time. Or you could be just wrong. Yeah, I think that's it. The movie would not be of more interest to those than other public segments...
 
zeggman said:
I guess you haven't been following D'Souza except for this movie. No problem. Yes, he's pandering to the religious right. You're welcome.
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Okay, I went and read some more on him. Looks like he has a pretty broad appeal, mostly to conservatives, but I'm not seeing any special calling out or favoring of the "religious right".

Maybe if one uses the term in a very broad sense, then yes, but certainly no focus or attention to fundamentalist concepts, in fact he disagrees with most of that stuff that seems ridiculous, and advocates evolution. Generally, we think of the "religious right" as the far extreme end of the Republican party.

No, I haven't been following him. I've seen him talk perhaps a half dozen times, but didn't have much interest in the subjects of his books. Skill at debate was one of the best I've ever seen, that would be my comment about him.
 
mhaze said:
Generally, we think of the "religious right" as the far extreme end of the Republican party.
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Who is this "we" kemo sabe? The religious right is at the very core of the mainstream Republican party. Exhibit A is the Values Voter Summit. Note the quote in the very middle of the home page:

Reuters said:
a 'must attend' on the political calendar of any serious candidate for the Republican presidential nomination
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SezMe said:
Who is this "we" kemo sabe? The religious right is at the very core of the mainstream Republican party. Exhibit A is the Values Voter Summit. Note the quote in the very middle of the home page:
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A tiny, self promoted conference that I have never even heard of says sometime in the middle of their web page, and you think that has some kind of meaning or greater relevance?

Sorry, that does not fly. I'm sure you can find valid statistical measures that show the intersection between "religious" and "conservative"/Republican.

Most conservatives I know certainly don't fit your stereotype, just like most Democrats I know do not at all fit the radical eco-freak controller profile that's often seen posting here.

In fact, down around here, a lot of Democrats work in frakking industries related to oil fields.
 
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mhaze said:
A tiny, self promoted conference that I have never even heard ...
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To be blunt, you're lying.

2012 confirmed speakers include:
- 12 current or former members of congress
- 6 politicians at the state level
- the current Republican Presidential candidate
- the current Republican Vice-Presidential candidate
- at least 11 representatives of religious organizations

and other absolute wingnut luminaries such as:
Gary Bauer
Glenn Beck
Bill Bennett
Gen. William Boykin
Kirk Cameron
Lt. Col. Oliver North
Tony Perkins
Dennis Prager

The official, formal agenda includes a religious (read: Christian) service and the web page has a list of nearby churches.

In the most recent summit, 38 organizations participated and 2,000 people were in attendance
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Linky.

It is arguably the most important annual gathering of conservatives/Republicans in the USA. It receives extensive coverage in the media (several Fox people are speakers) including outlets other than Fox.

And you've never heard of it. ************.

ETA: The auto-censor does not like a colloquial expression for bovine excrement.
 
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SezMe said:
To be blunt, you're lying...... ************.

ETA: The auto-censor does not like a colloquial expression for bovine excrement.
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What, hit a sore note there? Let's go back to something I said shortly ago regarding the movie.

I went and read some more on him. Looks like he has a pretty broad appeal, mostly to conservatives, but I'm not seeing any special calling out or favoring of the "religious right".

Maybe if one uses the term in a very broad sense, then yes, but certainly no focus or attention to fundamentalist concepts, in fact he disagrees with most of that stuff that seems ridiculous, and advocates evolution. Generally, we think of the "religious right" as the far extreme end of the Republican party.​

So you've found a conference - judging from google hits, I'm not alone in never having heard of it - which caters to the "far extreme end of the Republican party".

So WHAT?
 
mhaze said:
Generally, we think of the "religious right" as the far extreme end of the Republican party.
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The "we" is one guy who is not religious. No wonder he thinks the religious right is way out there. All of the pols and other heavyweights I listed would not participate in the "far extreme end" of their party. It'd be like Obama and Biden and Pelosi, etc. attending a PETA conference.

But I'll leave you to have the last word on this matter.
 
mhaze said:
Okay, I went and read some more on him. Looks like he has a pretty broad appeal, mostly to conservatives, but I'm not seeing any special calling out or favoring of the "religious right".
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Sure, everybody writes a book entitled What's So Great About Christianity because of its broad appeal. And he's the President of a Christian college because of its broad appeal. And that other book, Godforsaken, nothing but broad appeal there. Oh, and that other, other book, Life After Death, The Evidence. Well, maybe that one does have broad appeal, as in the Sylvia Brown and James Van Praag crowd.
I’m excited about the idea of doing another film. But the topic that I’m thinking about has more to do with the search for God and the role of Christianity in the world rather than another film about Obama. It’s just an idea right now. I’ve written three books about this topic. It’s a topic that’s interested me for several years.
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www.deadline.com/2012/09/exclusive-2016-obamas-america-filmmaker-reacts-to-presidents-slam-looking-for-network-to-air-before-election-says-mainstream-media-refusing-coverage/

Hey, wait a minute, wasn't that YOUR link?
 
SezMe said:
The "we" is one guy who is not religious. No wonder he thinks the religious right is way out there. All of the pols and other heavyweights I listed would not participate in the "far extreme end" of their party. It'd be like Obama and Biden and Pelosi, etc. attending a PETA conference.

But I'll leave you to have the last word on this matter.
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Your analogy is inaccurate. The far extreme - the fundamentalist Christian right - are well understood to be an important voting section of the Republican base. Doesn't mean they represent middle of the road conservatives, etc. In fact your own reference dubs them "social conservatives".

There's enough mud to sling around without trying to assert that average conservatives are somehow fundamentalist Christian right. Just think --- conservatives don't allege that all liberals are ecofreaks, they know those hang out on JREF. The few that are around.

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Please, stop it. Slow down. First Christie, then Governor Ultrasound and his wife, and now Dinesh?! I can't stand so much good news at once.
 
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