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Merged 2014 Hugo awards.

Wildy said:
But to be honest I find it hard to say that all the "no awards" this year are because the works are apparently mediocre, it seems just as reasonable to say that people voted "no award" in many categories simply because the choices were SP/RP nominations.
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Yes of course the SP/RP nominations were not voted on. Because they cheated to get in there in the first place. Most normal people would, when discovering that someone cheated, demand that the cheating got punished somehow. Punishing cheaters is not a political statement, even when the cheating itself is (as it clearly was in this case)?

Why are you getting more upset that a bunch of cheaters got punished for cheating, rather than with the cheaters themselves?
 
Wildy said:
And you're saying that the SP works ultimately weren't nominated this year? They just magically forced their way onto the list?
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Already addressed multiple times, go back and read the thread.

Reading through the past campaigns it sounds like SP were slowly gaining speed, it's just that this year was something of a perfect storm. If you can show me that SP actually mobilised a group of "rabid racists and sexists"
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Already addressed multiple times, go back and read the thread. The SP's impact was negligible until the RP stepped in and mobilized their nutbar fringe.

But to be honest I find it hard to say that all the "no awards" this year are because the works are apparently mediocre, it seems just as reasonable to say that people voted "no award" in many categories simply because the choices were SP/RP nominations.
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Except the analysis has already been done that proves you wrong. Go back and read the thread, especially the links.

Then again, doing what you suggest probably would have resulted in the exact same sort of backlash: "The Sad Puppies are trying to destroy the Hugos by voting 'No Award'".
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Laughably unlikely. People vote no award from time to time (just not many and not often), and the SP were consistently unable to mobilize enough people to vote for them, let alone against everyone else. They're a bunch of fringe whiners, and would have remained so had they not drug in Beale and Poxy and their ilk.

Or that they didn't want to be part of the slate, but whatever floats your boat I guess.
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And why, exactly, did they not want to be part of the slate? I guess you'd actually have to go and read their stated reasons, which I doubt you'll do since they directly contradict your assertions.
 
Corsair 115 said:
Fresh off the presses: Sad Puppies 4 is announced. Run, incidentally, by three women: Kate Paulk, Sarah Hoyt, and Amanda S. Green. It'll be interesting to see what the tone of the criticism will be this time around...
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Oopsie, I'd forgotten about Paulk.
She's the nut who accused those who voted 'No Award' of being "communists" and tossed around various conspiracy theories (worthy of Poxy himself) about the elitist "TruFans" and the SMOFs.

She came up with some true gems in her utterances on the Hugos. Her comment on the awards ceremony for example: "It’s a shame this year’s hosts showed all the restraint of a Nazi rally along with the morals of a Soviet show trial and the taste and discernment of a cat in heat" or on the awards process "what’s even sadder is this pathetic collection of power-hungry little Hitler’s have destroyed what was once a genuinely respected award".
:rolleyes:
 
catsmate said:
Oopsie, I'd forgotten about Paulk.
She's the nut who accused those who voted 'No Award' of being "communists" and tossed around various conspiracy theories (worthy of Poxy himself) about the elitist "TruFans" and the SMOFs.

She came up with some true gems in her utterances on the Hugos. Her comment on the awards ceremony for example: "It’s a shame this year’s hosts showed all the restraint of a Nazi rally along with the morals of a Soviet show trial and the taste and discernment of a cat in heat" or on the awards process "what’s even sadder is this pathetic collection of power-hungry little Hitler’s have destroyed what was once a genuinely respected award".
:rolleyes:
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Sounds like just the person the Sad Puppies need to gain legitimacy.
 
But now a rabid is in charge of the sad? It'll be amusing as they try to pretend the two groups aren't linked going forward.
 
Puppy Jay Manyard (he who claimed that the Hugos were awarded for "their leftist political POV pushing") has announced a new sci-fi award "for storytelling".

Basically a Hugo knock-off though without the "No Award" option and with a "Judging Committee" to ensure ideological purity. The voter selection is also interesting requiring voters to be vouched for by other members and

The voter eligibility rules seem difficult to reconcile with Maynard’s goal of truly representing all of fandom. To become an eligible voter for Maynard’s awards, a person must be vouched for by one or more existing eligible voters, and with a system of "trust levels" for the membership. :rolleyes:
 
catsmate said:
The voter eligibility rules seem difficult to reconcile with Maynard’s goal of truly representing all of fandom. To become an eligible voter for Maynard’s awards, a person must be vouched for by one or more existing eligible voters, and with a system of "trust levels" for the membership. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, that'll work....
 
kookbreaker said:
Yeah, that'll work....
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It's just so blatant in the double standards. Having a committee to vet works (in case the voters make a wrong choice), because the Hugos are too political, and then having a mechanism to control the voters also.
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"I built the puppies! And they fell flat
"Then I built a second puppies! And they fell flat"
"So I built a third puppies! That burned down, flamed out and caused a bunch of No Awards!"
"But the fourth one?....It'll stop pretending we're the rabid puppies with a party hat...."
 
catsmate said:
Puppy Jay Manyard (he who claimed that the Hugos were awarded for "their leftist political POV pushing") has announced a new sci-fi award "for storytelling".

Basically a Hugo knock-off though without the "No Award" option and with a "Judging Committee" to ensure ideological purity. The voter selection is also interesting requiring voters to be vouched for by other members and

The voter eligibility rules seem difficult to reconcile with Maynard’s goal of truly representing all of fandom. To become an eligible voter for Maynard’s awards, a person must be vouched for by one or more existing eligible voters, and with a system of "trust levels" for the membership. :rolleyes:
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The "Black Gate Award" debate got even more fascinating over the weekend with the idea of a "web of trust" for the fans who might be allowed to vote in it. Including "even John Scalzi and David Gerrold".

Wow... The new right-wing gatekeepers (in the form of Tron Guy) would graciously be willing to allow the writer of the Chtorr series and The Trouble with Tribbles and the author of Redshirts, the Old Man's War series and Lock-In to be eligible.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
"I'll make my own awards...with Blackjack! And Hookers! In fact, forget about the award!"
 
catsmate said:
The "Black Gate Award" debate got even more fascinating over the weekend with the idea of a "web of trust" for the fans who might be allowed to vote in it. Including "even John Scalzi and David Gerrold".

Wow... The new right-wing gatekeepers (in the form of Tron Guy) would graciously be willing to allow the writer of the Chtorr series and The Trouble with Tribbles and the author of Redshirts, the Old Man's War series and Lock-In to be eligible.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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I predict the general reaction of Sci Fi Fandom to this is going to be one huge horse laugh.
 
dudalb said:
I predict the general reaction of Sci Fi Fandom to this is going to be one huge horse laugh.
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And some long sighs. Especially after Maynard's ranting about the "cool kids".

kookbreaker said:
Do the novels that apply have to have Milo and Vox approved Ray Guns in the storyline?
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I believe that's what the "Judging Committee" is for.


In further Hugo/Worldcon news some pups are spreading rumours about what went on during the WSFS Business Meeting. That's despite the eleven hours of video of everything that was said........
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ETA: in yet more Hugo news I'm with Charlie Stross; nominate the Discworld for Best Novel next year.
 
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Recent behavior by the puppyboys doesn't reassure about their ability to organise a non-partisan award. It seems that criticising Poxy triggers unpersoning.
 
catsmate said:
Recent behavior by the puppyboys doesn't reassure about their ability to organise a non-partisan award. It seems that criticising Poxy triggers unpersoning.
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What was really twisted is that blog had (in their words) been "defunct" for over five years, and was brought back to life to ONLY to trash this one individual (while providing NO links to the actual articles she had supposedly wrote. :eye-poppi)

Of course, Nazxy* is celebrating this move as the "proper way" to deal with SJWs, though I think of a much better use for that flamethrower shown at the bottom of his post...:D

* I just found out that Mr. Beale once stated that the Israeli government's behavior towards the Palestinians should emulate the way the Germans treated those they conquered on the Eastern Front (you know - kill one of us, we'll kill 100's of you :jaw-dropp.) So, Godwin or no Godwin, I have NO problems equating him with that group...:mad:
 
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