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Merged 2014 Hugo awards.

Cleon said:
Perhaps, but will the Hugos' reputation survive the intervening two years?
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Personally I think so. It'll depend greatly on this year's results but a firm rebuttal of the puppyboys dross will help.

dudalb said:
I also think that you will see groups formed to counter the Puppies tactics even before there are official Rule changes.They won't have the same easy time they did next year as they did last year.
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No there's far more interest in the nomination process now. Unfortunately it'll remain paper based for next year but give that typically 6-15% of those eligible use their entitlement even a small increase will drown the puppies.
 
Darat said:
Strongly disagree - "literary" is simple another genre, just like science fiction is.
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Hmmm, I don't think this is exactly right. I've heard the difference described as genre fiction seeks to escape reality while literary fiction seeks to amplify it. I do agree that overlap often occurs and trying to put fiction into distinct categories can be a fool's errand.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Hmmm, I don't think this is exactly right. I've heard the difference described as genre fiction seeks to escape reality while literary fiction seeks to amplify it. I do agree that overlap often occurs and trying to put fiction into distinct categories can be a fool's errand.
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This.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I do agree that overlap often occurs and trying to put fiction into distinct categories can be a fool's errand.
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Maybe, but I remember that Asimov came up with a definition of science fiction in which we are talking about some world or some society that is altered in some way from our own by something that could, in principle, exist. This distinguishes it from fantasy where the author is absolved from having to explain how "magick" can work in the world (it's magick!).
 
angrysoba said:
Maybe, but I remember that Asimov came up with a definition of science fiction in which we are talking about some world or some society that is altered in some way from our own by something that could, in principle, exist. This distinguishes it from fantasy where the author is absolved from having to explain how "magick" can work in the world (it's magick!).
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The line between science fiction and fantasy is sometimes very thin.
 
Another withdrawal; Edmund Schubert, has announced his withdrawal from the Hugo category of Best Editor (Short Form).
 
I think the Hugos were doomed when the SJWs began advocating Correct Thought over Good Writing, and began persecuting dissenters. The Puppy slate is purely reactionary. Now that the Hugos have been politicized, there's no going back.

Putting rules in place won't solve the problem, it will just shift the sociopolitical slapfight to the arena of which rules are most advantageous to which faction.

Unless there's a Worldcon Ur-Faction that can step in; make it absolutely clear that electioneering is not allowed, that Good Writing is the only criteria, and that members should vote their conscience no more no less; and somehow enforce this; the Hugos are pointless now, except as a measure of e-peen for whichever faction happens to have the upper hand in the slap fight that year.

Anyway, I often use the prestigious awards as a way to deal with Sturgeon's Law: 99% of Science Fiction is crap, but if something has won a Hugo it's probably in the other 1%. But now... whether the voting is done according to SJW principles or a reactionary anti-SJW slate, either way it's of no use to me anymore. I guess maybe 99% of Sci-Fi awards are also crap.
 
theprestige said:
I think the Hugos were doomed when the SJWs began advocating Correct Thought over Good Writing, and began persecuting dissenters. The Puppy slate is purely reactionary. Now that the Hugos have been politicized, there's no going back.

Putting rules in place won't solve the problem, it will just shift the sociopolitical slapfight to the arena of which rules are most advantageous to which faction.

Unless there's a Worldcon Ur-Faction that can step in; make it absolutely clear that electioneering is not allowed, that Good Writing is the only criteria, and that members should vote their conscience no more no less; and somehow enforce this; the Hugos are pointless now, except as a measure of e-peen for whichever faction happens to have the upper hand in the slap fight that year.

Anyway, I often use the prestigious awards as a way to deal with Sturgeon's Law: 99% of Science Fiction is crap, but if something has won a Hugo it's probably in the other 1%. But now... whether the voting is done according to SJW principles or a reactionary anti-SJW slate, either way it's of no use to me anymore. I guess maybe 99% of Sci-Fi awards are also crap.
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Really. I'm getting the impression that the downhill slide began when a blob of of right-wing bad writers started an attempt to whine their way into winning an award that a discerning readership wasn't willing to give them for their crap. Or maybe mobilizing that resentful proportion of readers that believes that calling people "SJWs" is in some way an insult was the trick. Whichever, I see that now that the damage is starting to become apparent, it's time to get going with the blame-shifting, eh?
 
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