2012 prophecies promoter and CERN LHC

[fallout]

Allright guys, despite my horrible english, I had to post this here because it contains paranormal claims, but my main curiosity is about the truth behind CERN´s LHC inauguration being delayed till 2012.

Is this true? If so , damn that only fueled the expectations of 2012'ers and their doomsday theories. Sorry , I could not find any articles discussing this by googling inside JREF forums, so my appologies if it´s already been covered.

http://www.williamhenry.net/art_dis-cerning.html

Look!! The LHC is the doomsday machine, the mayans predicted it! and even depicted it in their arts lol. For this guy, William Henry, LHC will open up a black hole, which will create a worm-hole. And guess what, GOD PARTICLES will pour from this wormhole, and the world will never be the same!!

Well, read for yourself. That does not represent my view about the subject.

But I just want this test to be conducted as soon as possible, and If they need a volunteer, i´m glad to offer myself as a guinea to jump inside the blackhole, i´m sure that what lies beyond cannot be worse than here!!!

 

[King of the Americas]

A buddy of mine gave me this great astronomer's link:

www.stellarium.org

It allows you to view the sky from anywhere at any time.

I fast forwarded to December 21, 2012, and a giant vortex opened up on my computer, and two guys stepped out and asked me where the ball court was, and that they had to do battle for the sake of all mankind. It freaked me out a little, so I reversed the time mechanism, and it all disappeared. (Just kidding)

What are we supposed to see in the sky, at that time. Where is this 'dark spot' we are supposed to be lined up with?

 

[Pixel42]

but my main curiosity is about the truth behind CERN´s LHC inauguration being delayed till 2012.

Is this true?

No.

http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2009/PR02.09E.html

Geneva, 9 February 2009. CERN1 management today confirmed the restart schedule for the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) resulting from the recommendations from last week’s Chamonix workshop. The new schedule foresees first beams in the LHC at the end of September this year, with collisions following in late October. A short technical stop has also been foreseen over the Christmas period. The LHC will then run through to autumn next year, ensuring that the experiments have adequate data to carry out their first new physics analyses and have results to announce in 2010.

 

[leafman91]

This old topic...

For a start, let me say that William Henry has used an awful lot of allusion and gap jumping, and that before taking him seriously, his interpretation of the sources used should be checked to see if it is sound. For example, interpreting symbolism and biblical texts can be very tricky indeed, and often results in a lot of blurred areas. Chunks of this article seem to make sense while the bits connecting them don't at all. For example, and I quote:

"A scientist at the particle accelerator at Fermilab in Batavia, IL, CERN’s rival, told me on a visit there that his lab’s physicists may already have created but not detected the God Particle. Like reading tealeaves, it takes a while to, ahem, dis-cern the Higgs from the spay of collisions. He also hinted it will not be found unless it wishes to be.

You mean it’s calling us?"

No, it means that it has been hinted that it won't be found until it wishes to be. How does a particle call us anyway?


I like the allusion of the Higgs Field to the cosmic sap, and that the ATLAS detector (part of LHC) has 8 spoke things in it.

The path of logic was lost on me after he tried to show that this 'Osiris Device' was a wormhole, using only as evidence, a rather simple diagram of a wormhole. Partly because I am quite certain that the heiroglyphs have been interpreted quite differently by the archaeological world, but mostly because we actually don't know what a wormhole looks like.

Mostly, it's the fact that this theory is based and built upon his own unproven theories, such as the stargates, and the light body transformation thing, which is completely weird.


Oh, and I wouldn't jump into a black hole, as it is probably the most horrifying experience one may face in all their life. They wouldn't ever get the chance to improve upon that either.

 

[fallout]

What are we supposed to see in the sky, at that time. Where is this 'dark spot' we are supposed to be lined up with?

Hey. I looked a bit further into this one detail. This galagtic alignment is only in the lunatic mind of a few 2012ers. Several other astronomers said that this is totaly wrong for the year of 2012. Something like this occurred in 1998 if I remember correctly. The only disaster I could remember in 1998 was France beating Brazil in the "Soccer" World Cup finals in that surprising way. Oh it had to be the rift´s fault!

 

[fallout]

No.

http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2009/PR02.09E.html

Thanks a bunch buddy, by the time I did most of the search this article didn´t come up. Sooo we have doomsday scheduled for 2k10 lol.

 

[fallout]

I like the allusion of the Higgs Field to the cosmic sap, and that the ATLAS detector (part of LHC) has 8 spoke things in it.

The path of logic was lost on me after he tried to show that this 'Osiris Device' was a wormhole, using only as evidence, a rather simple diagram of a wormhole. Partly because I am quite certain that the heiroglyphs have been interpreted quite differently by the archaeological world, but mostly because we actually don't know what a wormhole looks like.

Mostly, it's the fact that this theory is based and built upon his own unproven theories, such as the stargates, and the light body transformation thing, which is completely weird.

Yes that´s what I wanted to know as well, I mean, what´s the general consensus among the archaeologists regarding these doomsday interpretations. The proponents speak as if their interpretation is the consensus, they speak of it as the truth about what is generally accepted regarding the codexes and scrolls. It is known that the church burned the entire or almost entire library where could be any kind of description and interptretation for the codexes and calendars. That´s a major historical shame. Some claim that the church didn´t burn but is keeping everything secret in the Vatican library. Do you or anyone know anything closer to the truth about what happened to the documents?

 

[fallout]

Ah Pixel.. that is from february, thought it was september, by the date format. I remember that I read somewhere (damn can´t find the sources now) that since Feb they announced another delay. Now I´m not sure, what I can do is search a little more and post it here if I find it.

 

[Pixel42]

Ah Pixel.. that is from february

Click on 2009 in the left hand column of the press release I linked to and you get a list of this year's CERN press releases. The one I quoted is the most recent that mentions detailed timescales. The one dated June 19th gives progress and announces a three week slip and the latest which mentions the restart (dated 6th August) is saying November.

 

[Snixtor]

The bit that has always amused me about the people scared that LHC is going to destroy us all, is that they are such a clear cut example of cherry-picking beliefs and facts.

1 - Physicists tell us that black holes exist, they believe it.
2 - Physicists tell us that the LHC may create black holes, they believe it.
3 - Physicists tell us that the black holes the LHC could create are of no risk, they don't believe it.

Why do they believe the physicists on points 1 and 2, but not 3? It's like telling a little kid "there's a monster in your cupboard", they freak out and you tell them "no I just made that up", but they don't believe you.

 

[aviolet4u]

Aren't we supposed to be more worried about "earth changes" - the weather getting crazier, more earthquakes and Yellowstone being due for an eruption? Scientists also believe more solar flares are to occur around 2012. That will affect our technology to a great extent and can cause a lot of damage.

 

[fallout]

Aren't we supposed to be more worried about "earth changes" - the weather getting crazier, more earthquakes and Yellowstone being due for an eruption? Scientists also believe more solar flares are to occur around 2012. That will affect our technology to a great extent and can cause a lot of damage.

How much of a consensus there is about these solar flares? I saw some specialists on Penn and Teller episode about 2012 saying that these can happen but they can´t be sure as to when and they said that it wouldnt be a problem at all because of the geomagnetic shield.

Another question: Is that theory about every major solar flare which strikes the earth destroys the magnetic shield to some extent any plausible?

 

[twistor59]

The bit that has always amused me about the people scared that LHC is going to destroy us all, is that they are such a clear cut example of cherry-picking beliefs and facts.

1 - Physicists tell us that black holes exist, they believe it.
2 - Physicists tell us that the LHC may create black holes, they believe it.
3 - Physicists tell us that the black holes the LHC could create are of no risk, they don't believe it.

Why do they believe the physicists on points 1 and 2, but not 3? It's like telling a little kid "there's a monster in your cupboard", they freak out and you tell them "no I just made that up", but they don't believe you.

It hadn't hit me in those terms before, but yeah, very true !!

 

[Cuddles]

How much of a consensus there is about these solar flares? I saw some specialists on Penn and Teller episode about 2012 saying that these can happen but they can´t be sure as to when and they said that it wouldnt be a problem at all because of the geomagnetic shield.

Solar flares, or more accurately coronal mass ejections (essentially the big brothers of solar flares) are a real threat. The Sun has a regular cycle in its activity, and the peak of the current cycle will be around 2012, although since the cycle isn't perfectly regular it could be a year or so either way. The magnetosphere protects us from the regular solar wind, but CMEs are much bigger and can potentially cause major problems.

In 1989, two CMEs hit the Earth, one in March and one in August. The former shut down a large part of Canada's electricity grid, the latter forced Toronto's stock market to close down. Satellites are also at risk, from direct damage to their electrical components, disruption to their orbits due to heating of the atmosphere and due to simple disruption of communications with them.

They're certainly not an end-of-the-world kind of thing, but they do have potential do cause a fair few problems and some rather expensive damage.

Another question: Is that theory about every major solar flare which strikes the earth destroys the magnetic shield to some extent any plausible?

I've not heard of that one before, but if you mean that each successive CME weakens the Earth's magnetic field so that eventually we won't be protected at all, that's not a theory, it's just plain nonsense.

 

[leafman91]

Yes that´s what I wanted to know as well, I mean, what´s the general consensus among the archaeologists regarding these doomsday interpretations. The proponents speak as if their interpretation is the consensus, they speak of it as the truth about what is generally accepted regarding the codexes and scrolls. It is known that the church burned the entire or almost entire library where could be any kind of description and interptretation for the codexes and calendars. That´s a major historical shame. Some claim that the church didn´t burn but is keeping everything secret in the Vatican library. Do you or anyone know anything closer to the truth about what happened to the documents?

The churches burnt one hell of a lot of stuff, but not directly. Instead, this was all done by the explorers and missionaries of the day, on behalf of the church, or by direct/indirect order of the church. I wouldn't have imagined the burning and destruction to be organized at all, because the churches weren't looking for anything. A safer bet would be that said codexes found their way through time, and now sit on the lofty lap of some multibillionare, or even still resting in a temple/ box undeground somewhere. It would be uncharacteristic of the Vatican to hide artefacts away, as doing so would be the equivalent of PR suicide. If it is linked to the Vatican, then the matter would be most likely in the hands of a secret sect, in which case, it wouldn't be in the Vatican Secret Archive

 

[leafman91]

The coronal mass ejection would need to spiral out of control to be truly devastating alone.

 

[EHocking]

...It would be uncharacteristic of the Vatican to hide artefacts away

Dan Brown notwithstanding - UH? . The Vatican operates as any government agencies do. You could guarantee that they have nasty little secrets hidden away from view. You can only speculate on what they are, though.

as doing so would be the equivalent of PR suicide. If it is linked to the Vatican, then the matter would be most likely in the hands of a secret sect, in which case, it wouldn't be in the Vatican Secret Archive

I'm not following the logic here. Why wouldn't the Vatican Secret Archives hold secret matters pertaining to the Vatican? And again, while trying to avoid a Dan Brown hat - these are only the archives that they admit to have. A number of governments have been caught out in that potential lie.

Is it only me that is amused by the fact that the Vatican Secret Archives has a webpage?

 

[Beerina]

The bit that has always amused me about the people scared that LHC is going to destroy us all, is that they are such a clear cut example of cherry-picking beliefs and facts.

1 - Physicists tell us that black holes exist, they believe it.
2 - Physicists tell us that the LHC may create black holes, they believe it.
3 - Physicists tell us that the black holes the LHC could create are of no risk, they don't believe it.

Why do they believe the physicists on points 1 and 2, but not 3? It's like telling a little kid "there's a monster in your cupboard", they freak out and you tell them "no I just made that up", but they don't believe you.

It hadn't hit me in those terms before, but yeah, very true !!

This will calm your mind, then rile it up again, then calm it again.

1. If the LHC could create a black hole, it would "evaporate" almost immediately thanks to Hawking Radiation. Some numbers I read once suggested a black hole would have to be at least 1 cm in diameter before it could suck in matter faster than it would evaporate. This requires god only knows how many millions of full cargo ships of matter to create. A few protons' worth of mass won't do much.


Whew! But...


2. The LHC might also, however, create some kind of "strange matter". This matter would have to have two properties: A. It would have to be of lower energy than normal matter, i.e. a process to convert normal matter to it would have to release energy, like a fire or atom bomb, and B. It would have to act as a sort of catalyst such that by merely touching, or getting near, normal matter induces normal matter to convert to it.

Thus creating even a tiny amount would have horrific consequences, converting the planet to this state in a matter of seconds to days, depending on the rate. There'd probably also have to be a property, C, now that I think about it such that the reaction isn't so violent it blows apart the catalyzing strange matter, thus ending the runaway reaction before it gets anywhere.


Oh no! But...

3. The argument such a thing probably won't happen is that the upper atmosphere is struck with far more energetic particles than the LHC or any other conceivable machine could produce, all the time. Yet we're still here. So the physical possibility of such matter existing, or being creatable via such a process, is very small. I.e. it's been tested uncountable times over billions of years.

The response is, of course, the hyperbole that the LHC will create more energetic particles than at any time except 10 to the minus eight billionths of a second after the Big Bang. If true, then no such particles have actually hit the atmosphere.

However, the above is an exaggeration. "Oh My God" particles are hitting the atmosphere all the time -- These are protons moving so fast they carry the energy of a 60 MPH baseball!

They are so close to the speed of light, in one year (to an observer), they would travel only "47 nanometers (5×10−24 light-years) less than a light-year in one year".

How they come about is still just theory, but nevertheless uncounted numbers have hit the Earth and Sun and other planets and we're all still here after billions of years.

 

[Ysidro]

A buddy of mine gave me this great astronomer's link:

www.stellarium.org

It allows you to view the sky from anywhere at any time.

I fast forwarded to December 21, 2012, and a giant vortex opened up on my computer, and two guys stepped out and asked me where the ball court was, and that they had to do battle for the sake of all mankind. It freaked me out a little, so I reversed the time mechanism, and it all disappeared. (Just kidding)

What are we supposed to see in the sky, at that time. Where is this 'dark spot' we are supposed to be lined up with?

Have you been reading John Dies At The End?

http://www.johndiesattheend.com/

 

[fallout]

Solar flares, or more accurately coronal mass ejections (essentially the big brothers of solar flares) are a real threat. The Sun has a regular cycle in its activity, and the peak of the current cycle will be around 2012, although since the cycle isn't perfectly regular it could be a year or so either way. The magnetosphere protects us from the regular solar wind, but CMEs are much bigger and can potentially cause major problems.

In 1989, two CMEs hit the Earth, one in March and one in August. The former shut down a large part of Canada's electricity grid, the latter forced Toronto's stock market to close down. Satellites are also at risk, from direct damage to their electrical components, disruption to their orbits due to heating of the atmosphere and due to simple disruption of communications with them.

They're certainly not an end-of-the-world kind of thing, but they do have potential do cause a fair few problems and some rather expensive damage.

Thanks for the clarification! So that humongous CME from the movie "knowing" is not possible, right? Cuzz that one teared the world apart. What I mean is: Does the damage and catastrophic power of a CME can take those proportions if it does have a huge magnitude?

I've not heard of that one before, but if you mean that each successive CME weakens the Earth's magnetic field so that eventually we won't be protected at all, that's not a theory, it's just plain nonsense.

Yes, I found it to be very strange. No surprises The ones stating that were the 2012 loonies from the history channel documentary. So the magnetic field never loses it´s strength no matter how hard it´s battered? Thanks again for the info.