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2012 Electoral College Predictions

Obama 332
Romney 206

Popular vote
Obama 52
Romney 46.5

(ETA: same as 2008 but Obama loses Indiana and North Carolina)
 
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Obama 332
Romney 206

Popular vote
Obama 52
Romney 46.5

(ETA: same as 2008 but Obama loses Indiana and North Carolina)

The now-cast (as of 9/30) gives Obama the edge in NC. It's shaping up to look just like '08 minus Indiana.

Obama is winning 7/7 swing states in the now-cast. 6/7 in the forecast. Mitt Romney will soon take his rightful place next to hapless presidential candidates of the past 24 years (Dukakis, Dole, Kerry)
 
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No one believed it was possible. Or at least, no one who calls himself a skeptic ever believed it.


Prediction contests are supposed to involve some risk-taking, guessing, and gambling - it creates separation.

Imagine a NCAA tournament pool where every person picks the higher-seeded team in every game. And anyone who picks a significant upset, say, a 12-seed over a 5-seed, is immediately branded a know-nothing who's already lost. Doesn't sound very interesting or fun.
 
I posted the below on the 24th of August. Let's revisit it in the light of the first debate, shall we?

Personal opinion (Ben can speak for himself here too, especially if what he means isn't what I mean) is that simply put, the states which Obama has already locked up count for so many votes that Romney will have to pull a miracle in the tossup states in order to win.

[Figures from 538 today]
The following states are currently listed at 75% or better for Obama to win:

California, Connecticut, DC, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maryland, Maine (all districts), Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, Nevada, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington.

Total locked-up electoral votes: 243 (270 to win).

To this we can now add New Hampshire (80%) and Wisconsin (81%), making a total of 259 electoral votes which Obama has locked up.

The following states are currently at 75% or better for Romney to win:

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Mississippi, Montana, North Dakota, Nebraska (all districts), Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

Total locked-up electoral votes: 191

To this we can add North Carolina (80%), for a new total of 206.

In November, this means Obama needs to get 27 votes from any combination of the remaining "tossup" states (which total 104 electoral votes) and the election is done. Romney, on the other hand, needs to make up 79. Right there, that's a pretty big structural advantage simply because the vast majority of the major EV states are already out of play for Romney -- the biggest remaining is Florida which is a dead heat: 53.2% for Romney that he _absolutely must win_ at all costs. If you live in Florida, expect to see nothing but shrillness on your TV for "commercials" for the next 2.5 months.

The numbers here, of course, have changed. Obama now needs only 11 votes' worth of swing states to reach 270, while Romney is still looking for 64 vote himself. But the state (ha!) of affairs changes significantly now.

Ohio (72% Obama), Virginia (58% Obama), or Florida (54% Romney) end the 'game' immediately. Colorado (53% Obama) plus Iowa (66% Obama) would also do so.

These are the only five "swing" states left with any plausible volatility in polling, and to say that Romney faces an uphill challenge now would be an understatement. He must split his resources between at a minimum three states (Ohio/Virginia/Florida), none of which he can afford to lose, and cannot ignore a Colorado/Iowa split. Obama can pick a single state (right now it appears to be Ohio, judging from the ads during the Reds/Giants game) and focus his efforts more effectively; if Romney ever _did_ have a fund-raising edge, it's long since been neutralized by his failure to hold even where it mattered.

Ohio (18 votes) currently predicted at 69.5% for Obama
Wisconsin (10) at 70.4% for Obama
Virginia (13) at 63.3% for Obama
Iowa (6) at 63.5% for Obama
New Hampshire (4) at 74.2% for Obama

Since I wrote the above, Ohio and Iowa have trended towards Obama, and Wisconsin and New Hampshire are effectively out of play. Virginia has drifted slightly but, of course, the President doesn't need to win there to be re-elected.

My prediction? I'll give Obama Ohio, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, and Virginia on top of the "locks" above, and Romney should take all the rest. That makes it:

Obama: 288
Romney: 250

Two states from my prediction are already in the 'good' column. Let's see how the other two do, shall we? Oh, and Obama voters can come in off the frickin' ledge. Yeesh, y'all look silly out there.
 
Kick. Just for amusement.

I agree ... "just for amusement". With two weeks to go, it's pretty easy to use the last few options to come up with a probable outcome. Those of you who made predictions back in August have my kudos. I nearly posted, but I think I would've been waaay high.... Obama 343 to Romney 195. Or 342 to 196 - it would've been based on Obama sweeping all the current undecided and a win in Missouri or Arizona just to piss some stalwarts off. Now I think it's going to be more like 290 to 248... but like I said, that's a real late-in-the-game "bid" and not fair to those of you who took a flyer early on.
 
I agree ... "just for amusement". With two weeks to go, it's pretty easy to use the last few options to come up with a probable outcome. Those of you who made predictions back in August have my kudos. I nearly posted, but I think I would've been waaay high.... Obama 343 to Romney 195. Or 342 to 196 - it would've been based on Obama sweeping all the current undecided and a win in Missouri or Arizona just to piss some stalwarts off. Now I think it's going to be more like 290 to 248... but like I said, that's a real late-in-the-game "bid" and not fair to those of you who took a flyer early on.



Doesn't it seem almost probable that Romney wins the popular vote?
 
Doesn't it seem almost probable that Romney wins the popular vote?

Well, yes, but Nate Silver does all this terrific analysis for the Times and he's convinced that Obama is a huge favorite in the Electoral College, which is the only thing that matters, don't you know.
 
Well, yes, but Nate Silver does all this terrific analysis for the Times and he's convinced that Obama is a huge favorite in the Electoral College, which is the only thing that matters, don't you know.


You're right about the importance of the Electoral College, but Silver also seems to expect Obama to win the popular vote.

Today's estimate gives him about a 63% chance of winning it, for example. Not really a whole lot lower than the estimate of winning the EC. (67.9%)
 
Well, yes, but Nate Silver does all this terrific analysis for the Times and he's convinced that Obama is a huge favorite in the Electoral College, which is the only thing that matters, don't you know.

How unrealistic of him! It's almost like he thinks that the Electoral College is what elects the President. Where do these silly liberals get their funny notions? I think it's a case of too much education. Let's cut funding.
 
Well, yes, but Nate Silver does all this terrific analysis for the Times and he's convinced that Obama is a huge favorite in the Electoral College, which is the only thing that matters, don't you know.

It is. You seem to have forgotten the 2000 election.
 
At this stage, I would be surprised if President Obama didn't win the EC with 300+ votes.

I said this on Sept. 17th. I am now revising my estimate...

I think Obama won't win 300+ in the EC, but he'll land somewhere around 285-295 in the EC with Romney making up the remainder.

Not a landslide win by any means, but a win nonetheless.
 
All the debates are now in the books, and we're far enough past the second Presidential debate for it to be reflected at least partly in the polling.

remirol said:
I posted the below on the 24th of August. Let's revisit it in the light of the first debate, shall we?

[Figures from 538 today]
The following states are currently listed at 75% or better for Obama to win:

California, Connecticut, DC, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maryland, Maine (all districts), Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, Nevada, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington.

Total locked-up electoral votes: 243 (270 to win).

To this we can now add New Hampshire (80%) and Wisconsin (81%), making a total of 259 electoral votes which Obama has locked up.

Wisconsin is at 82.2%. New Hampshire is now down to 69%, so we can make this 255. Nevada is at 74.4%; I'm going to make a point-six percent exception here for the sake of simplicity because it's silly to think that at this stage it will somehow flip Romney.

The following states are currently at 75% or better for Romney to win:

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Mississippi, Montana, North Dakota, Nebraska (all districts), Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

Total locked-up electoral votes: 191

To this we can add North Carolina (80%), for a new total of 206.

No change here.

Ohio (18 votes) currently predicted at 69.5% for Obama
Wisconsin (10) at 70.4% for Obama
Virginia (13) at 63.3% for Obama
Iowa (6) at 63.5% for Obama
New Hampshire (4) at 74.2% for Obama
The numbers here, of course, have changed. Obama now needs only 11 votes' worth of swing states to reach 270, while Romney is still looking for 64 vote himself. But the state (ha!) of affairs changes significantly now.

Ohio (72% Obama), Virginia (58% Obama), or Florida (54% Romney) end the 'game' immediately. Colorado (53% Obama) plus Iowa (66% Obama) would also do so.

These are the only five "swing" states left with any plausible volatility in polling, and to say that Romney faces an uphill challenge now would be an understatement.

Still true; NC remains off the table as plausible for Obama.

Currently:

Ohio (18 votes) at 72.0% for Obama (who needs 15)
Virginia (13) at 51.2% for Obama
Florida (29) at 67.5% for Romney
Colorado (9) at 51.8% for Obama
Iowa (6) at 66.5% for Obama
New Hampshire (4) at 69.0% for Obama

My prediction? I'll give Obama Ohio, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, and Virginia on top of the "locks" above, and Romney should take all the rest. That makes it:

Obama: 288
Romney: 250

Two states from my prediction are already in the 'good' column. Let's see how the other two do, shall we? Oh, and Obama voters can come in off the frickin' ledge. Yeesh, y'all look silly out there.

Currently looking like Iowa is going to go blue instead of red, and Virginia is still a complete tossup but has been leaning red instead of blue. Nothing particularly new to report, and Obama beating Romney like a drum in last night's debate definitely didn't hurt his standings any. Barring some major revelation or other significant development, I can't see this prediction being off by very much at all. A straight probability assessment for Romney's remaining chances based on the above numbers (giving him everything but Iowa and NH, since Colorado is the easiest for him to win) puts it at about 4.4% for Romney to win; allowing that he can win _either_ Colorado _or_ Iowa _or_ New Hampshire along with the 'mandatory three' brings it up to between 5.5-6.0%, but if I were the Romney campaign, I'd focus on the required three plus Colorado.

In retrospect, the trend line for Obama's winning chances has been on a slow, but consistent rise (May 31: 63.7%, today: 70.3%); the polling changes both after the Democratic convention and first debate appear to have been nothing more than temporary quirks -- possibly it was very difficult to get Republicans on the phone after the DNC, and vice versa after the first debate, causing the polls themselves to be non-reflective of the actual state of affairs in both cases.
 
It's come down to three states: OH, VA, CO. Everything else is either already decided or will have no bearing on the election. Even if Obama loses NH & IA + VA & CO, he could win with OH (271). Out of those three states, Romney needs to go 3 for 3 while Obama needs just one. He's still favored to win OH; VA and CO are virtual tossups.

And no, Nevada is not up for grabs.
 
Prediction contests are supposed to involve some risk-taking, guessing, and gambling - it creates separation.

Imagine a NCAA tournament pool where every person picks the higher-seeded team in every game. And anyone who picks a significant upset, say, a 12-seed over a 5-seed, is immediately branded a know-nothing who's already lost. Doesn't sound very interesting or fun.

And it isn't very interesting or fun.
 
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So I keep hearing people talk about Wisconsin as though it were "in play". But Silver has it at 85.7% for Obama. OK, fair enough, so I go check the RCP polling datapoint list, and I find:

* RCP average for the last two weeks is Obama +2.3
* Since June, there have been 29 polls taken. Romney has only led or tied in polling on 4 occasions
* 3 of those times were Rasmussen (+3, +1, and the most recent "tie")

...Seriously, what the ****? Is there something in the water that makes people stupid?
 

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