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T.A.M. said:
I know...I know. Unfortunately, that is likely only a dream for the USA, but you have to start somewhere, and there are a lot of good things in the bill.

TAM:)
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In my opinion it would be easier to get to UHC starting from where we were rather than from where we will be as a result of the bill that passed.
 
This made me want to cry.

It was our great privilege to serve the people of Iowa for many years. Throughout our judicial service we endeavored to serve the people of Iowa by always adhering to the rule of law, making decisions fairly and impartially according to the law, and faithfully upholding the constitution.

We wish to thank all of the Iowans who voted to retain us for another term. Your support shows that many Iowans value fair and impartial courts. We also want to acknowledge and thank all the Iowans, from across the political spectrum and from different walks of life, who worked tirelessly over the past few months to defend Iowa's high-caliber court system against an unprecedented attack by out-of-state special interest groups.

Finally, we hope Iowans will continue to support Iowa's merit selection system for appointing judges. This system helps ensure that judges base their decisions on the law and the Constitution and nothing else. Ultimately, however, the preservation of our state's fair and impartial courts will require more than the integrity and fortitude of individual judges, it will require the steadfast support of the people.

Chief Justice Marsha Ternus
Associate Justice Michael Streit
Associate Justice David Baker
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I'm ashamed of my state.
 
WildCat said:
In my opinion it would be easier to get to UHC starting from where we were rather than from where we will be as a result of the bill that passed.
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Spoken like a legitimate conservative person, as opposed to a politician....and in that lies the problem. I think most americans on all sides want comprehensive health care....but the conservative politicians are thinking about their pockets, and those that fill them.

TAM:)
 
WildCat said:
This is why state Supreme Court justices should be appointed for life.
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In my opinion, no, the procedure for recall is sound and less likely to be corrupted than other methods of building a judiciary.

Recall of the three justices does not hurt the individuals in any way. They will financially do just fine, thank you, as prominent firms have probably all sent them nice offers by now. And they leave with heads held high in that they were not corrupt or criminal but rather took a principled stand on a controversial issue. In the legal community, these folks will be (indeed, almost certainly they already ARE) regarded as courageous heroes.

And the supposedly odious decision is still on the books. Iowans didn't want a constitutional convention. They've ousted three of their best justices to make a point that ... that ... that ....
 
T.A.M. said:
I see a few people talking about repealing healthcare and what ia needed. 2/3rds to override a veto, but what about the senate. If the house passes a repeal, does the senate also have to agree to repeal it, even before it gets to a veto?

TAM:)
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Yes and it will not happen. First, because the slogan, "repeal Obamacare", is a propaganda slogan. When the facts are actually specifically out in the open, there is only one thing the Pubbies* can really publicly be against and that is mandatory policy purchase. But then you have the dilemma the insurance companies do not want and that is for people to be able to buy insurance only when they get sick.

So either you let insurance companies deny policies, and you are back to many without access, or, you force insurers to sell policies to people who only buy them when they get sick. There is no solution.

It's easy to be against mandatory policy purchase until you carry that through to its natural outcome. It's easy to be against the government telling you you have to serve blacks at your privately owned lunch counter, until you have to answer the news reporter's question on what you would have done during the civil rights struggles of the 60s. It's easy to claim you are going to cut the deficit, cut spending, cut taxes and give everyone a free pony during the campaign. Such bull crap continues to work. But clearly when the time comes to cut taxes, shrinking the welfare roles doesn't really have any effect on the federal budget. There aren't enough welfare queens out there to pay for the extra tax cuts for the rich. ;)

It's easy to campaign on propaganda slogans that don't call for thinking the slogans through to their complex natural consequences. But when it comes down to it, the Pubbies cannot repeal "Obamacare" for many reasons, not just the Senate and Presidential check on the Congress' power. But because when you actually try to carry that slogan out, you can't. It's a meaningless slogan.
 
T.A.M. said:
Spoken like a legitimate conservative person, as opposed to a politician....and in that lies the problem. I think most americans on all sides want comprehensive health care....but the conservative politicians are thinking about their pockets, and those that fill them.

TAM:)
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Sort of and Yes. Technically, I believe a lot of polls did show the majority of Americans favored a public option and universal care. However there was so much disinformation, that public opinion is muddled and how one asks the poll questions can totally direct the outcome.

When people hear Obamacare, death panels, government takeover and so on, they lose sight of reality and now what does their opinion mean? It means they are against the monster the Pubbies say Obamacare is. The injustice of insurance companies dropping coverage to increase the profit margin after they've maxed out how much they can get away with charging for premiums becomes invisible.

As for the politicians being in the pocket of the corporate insurance industry, yes, on both sides of the isle.


BTW, I'm skeptical Wild Cat cares about UHC. Not if it means someone gets medical care someone else paid for.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Dang, that's so much more eloquent than how I said it. :D
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Ahh, but that just translates down into the same stupid thing lefties say EVERY TIME THEY LOSE AN ELECTION.

And that is that the populace is just stupid.

You either didn't explain things well enough.. or people are just too stupid to get it.. or the Republican's lied and manipulated them against you.

It's like some bizarre dream where you actually believe that every sane, intelligent person in the world would (and should) embrace you.. it's just that there are always reasons why they don't. They are stupid.. they are manipulated by others.. you just haven't been able to get your message out well enough.

Denial. It can be very ugly. And you won't actually make any real progress until you come to realize that you are in denial about it. You think they embraced you in 2008 when they actually were just rejecting the other side. And now you make excuses and insults to explain your losses.
 
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applecorped said:
Barney Frank is going to win.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=12043586

November 3, 2010

Freddie Mac, the second-largest provider of U.S. residential mortgage funding, on Wednesday said a faltering housing market resulted in a $4.1 billion third-quarter net loss and another draw from the Treasury to maintain positive net worth.
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Remember when Barney Frank assured Americans that Freddie and Fannie were doing just fine? And now democrats reelected him. Now they have noone to blame but themselves for what happens next. Perhaps the fools … er democrats … who reelected him should have to pay for these losses. All in favor say aye. AYE.
 
Today Representative Anthony Weiner (D - NY) said something to the effect that it takes a great man to build a barn but any jackass can kick it down. I'm not sure if he was referring to soon-to-be House Speaker John Boehner or not.
 
Kestrel said:
The GOP constructed a strawman of the health care bill and campaigned against that strawman.
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LOL!

Obama - "I happen to be a proponent of single-payer, universal health care".

Obama - "If I were designing a system from scratch, I would probably go ahead with a single-payer system”.

Now here is what Jacob Hacker, who it was widely acknowledged as the source of ObamaCare, said on July 21, 2008:

Someone once said to me, 'This is a Trojan horse for single-payer,' and I said, 'Well, it's not a Trojan horse, right? It's just right there.' I'm telling you, we're going to get there. Over time, slowly, but we'll move away from reliance on employment based health insurance as we should but we'll do it in a way that we're not going to frighten people into thinking they are going to lose their private insurance.
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That's right. The author of Obamacare has already admitted that his proposal on health care is only a disguised way of forcing the country into becoming a single payer system.

Here's a video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ-6...erumserum.com/?p=5660&feature=player_embedded "The Public Plan Deception - It's Not About Choice"

which shows Jacob Hacker making that statement (at 1:49).

That video also has democrat Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky (from Illinois, where else, and who was reelected by the *intelligent* voters of Illinois) saying on April 18, 2009 that she heard a man from the insurance companies argue that

a public option will put the private insurance industry out of business and lead to single- payer.
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She then boasts

My single-payer friends ...

HE WAS RIGHT.

THE MAN WAS RIGHT.
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Don't kid yourself about the agenda.

Later she says:

This is not a principled fight. This is a fight about strategy for getting there and I believe we will.
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Not a principled fight. That's for certain.

And that video also shows Obama saying not only that he's a proponent of single-payer systems but that

I don't think we are going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There's going to be potentially some transition process
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So becoming a single payer system is most definitely where Obama thinks we are headed. Where democrats want us to go. No strawman needed by the GOP. Democrats said it in plain english.
 
BeAChooser said:
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=12043586



Remember when Barney Frank assured Americans that Freddie and Fannie were doing just fine? And now democrats reelected him. Now they have noone to blame but themselves for what happens next. Perhaps the fools … er democrats … who reelected him should have to pay for these losses. All in favor say aye. AYE.
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Actually that's okay. He'll be investigated by his own committee that he used to chair. The guy will likely find some quite reason to sort of fade away...
 
phillyboy said:
Today Representative Anthony Weiner (D - NY) said something to the effect that it takes a great man to build a barn but any jackass can kick it down. I'm not sure if he was referring to soon-to-be House Speaker John Boehner or not.
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Perhaps he was inadvertently referring to Obama/Pelosi/Reid and the once great country called America. :D
 
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