1954 Worldwide UFO Sightins
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Daylightstar
Philosopher
How come you doubt his claim of being an archaeologist but not his claim of being an astronomer?
What is the name of the 'astronomer/archaeologist'?
Two things strikes me in this:
A name?
An education?
But he did not show any of them to you?
He was giving a talk on a controversial subject, he has the proof and he decided NOT to show it?
The only ones who will normally believe that kind of arguments, are the "believers".
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He works at the Arkansas sky onservatory, and his credentials in astronomy are verifiable. What he said about astronomy are verifiable and pretty bog standard.
I would mention his name, but I don't want it to show up on Google. Though its Clay Sheffod, replace the ff with rr.
I question his credentials in archaeology because he made a few obviously false statements about history and did the normal thing of picking out artifacts that suited his ancient aliens view without appreciating the context.
By vivid images, I meant vivid memories. He only had artistic impressions to present.
And yes, there are plenty of believer sites like ATS that no doubt talk about it, but I was looking for some critical discussion, I apologize for asking.
I would mention his name, but I don't want it to show up on Google. Though its Clay Sheffod, replace the ff with rr.
I question his credentials in archaeology because he made a few obviously false statements about history and did the normal thing of picking out artifacts that suited his ancient aliens view without appreciating the context.
By vivid images, I meant vivid memories. He only had artistic impressions to present.
And yes, there are plenty of believer sites like ATS that no doubt talk about it, but I was looking for some critical discussion, I apologize for asking.
Gawdzilla Sama
TImeToSweepTheLeg
Nobody's telling you to stop asking, we're just giving you a hard and fast course in skeptical thinking. This isn't exactly a beginner's level forum.
I am already there, I was just asking if anyone knew of it and had seen a more critical examination of it since this is supposed to be from the fifties.
I mean, there are obvious issues No video or images, lack of statements of officials, so on. Plenty of stuff from credulous parties long afterwards.
But I thought maybe there might be some write up on it by a skeptical examiner that I'd enjoy to read over.
I mean, there are obvious issues No video or images, lack of statements of officials, so on. Plenty of stuff from credulous parties long afterwards.
But I thought maybe there might be some write up on it by a skeptical examiner that I'd enjoy to read over.
Gawdzilla Sama
TImeToSweepTheLeg
Skeptic.com has a lot of articles, haven't checked to see if that exact issue has been covered there. (This is Michael Shermer's site if you haven't been there before.)
Ive been there, and it wouldnt surprise me if an old issue of Skeptic magazine or the Inquirer covers it. But there doesn't seem to be anything up on the site currently.
From the relatively low net presence of the story, it hasn't been a widely believed account, at least not recently.
From the relatively low net presence of the story, it hasn't been a widely believed account, at least not recently.
Gawdzilla Sama
TImeToSweepTheLeg
Gives you a good idea of the importance of the matter then. However, it also gives you a chance to write something new if you want to revive it and take a hard look at it. This would be good if you can find a link between that and later UFO theory.
fagin
Philosopher
I think the problem is UFOs because artists impression.
aleCcowaN
imperfecto del subjuntivo
I'm sorry, but "1954 worldwide UFO sightings" looks like an almanac entry. Like somebody took individual events and wrapped them up in shiny piece of paper to give the bunch a significance each element lacked. You only need to choose the right year. Any year with great media coverage will do fine. A year after a war, when a new media started to bloom -and to become "popular" in more than one sense- will do well, let's say 1954!
Later the crap need to be composted into new hey!look! elements. Like 1970 and its cars vanishing in one city to appear in another city. The most notorious case, the one that led the snatch spree, happened almost in my door. A couple was driving by a street in suburban Buenos Aires and found themselves driving in Mexico DF. It had a great coverage, with interviews and all. The problem was the couple had a surname that doesn't exist in Argentina and probably in the whole world. It's just a name that sounded mexicano for a typical yankee, the typical name Hollywood would invent to that purpose in a B class movie -and many class A too-. They also had a car model that didn't existed in Argentina and a plate number and design that didn't comply with Argentine regulations. They hardly had the racial make up of a porteño.
1954 UFO event sounds like something visitors of Cerro Uritorco would be versed on.
Later the crap need to be composted into new hey!look! elements. Like 1970 and its cars vanishing in one city to appear in another city. The most notorious case, the one that led the snatch spree, happened almost in my door. A couple was driving by a street in suburban Buenos Aires and found themselves driving in Mexico DF. It had a great coverage, with interviews and all. The problem was the couple had a surname that doesn't exist in Argentina and probably in the whole world. It's just a name that sounded mexicano for a typical yankee, the typical name Hollywood would invent to that purpose in a B class movie -and many class A too-. They also had a car model that didn't existed in Argentina and a plate number and design that didn't comply with Argentine regulations. They hardly had the racial make up of a porteño.
1954 UFO event sounds like something visitors of Cerro Uritorco would be versed on.
Was it this talk?
http://www.meetup.com/Gulf-Coast-Science-Cafe/events/225044160/
http://www.pensacolastate.edu/astronomer-clay-sherrod-explores-ufos-in-presentation-at-psc-oct-3/
To be honest it doesn't sound like a pro-UFO talk.
Much more like a "Let's look at what people see, and what they want/believe to see".
The skeptical (and expert) go-to source on UFOs is the series of books by the late Philip J. Klass. These are mostly still available from Amazon. Klass wrote entire books on topics such as alleged government UFO cover-ups and the Roswell incident.
Unfortunately, I don't have a complete set and without an "incident" name I can't do an index check to find a specific case.
Gawdzilla Sama
TImeToSweepTheLeg
Klass and Peebles, go-to guys. Peebles helped out in the "Roswell" episode on "Unsolved Mysteries".
Indeed it was, and it was very much a pro UFO talk.
Not so much to my disappointment. I figured either way it would be interesting and a chance to meet some folks, and it was that.
Like I mentioned earlier he provided some pictures that were clearly artifacts of the camera, like rods, and ithers that have been ling debunked like the ild huncaps on a string or tossed into the air types.
He also claimed psychologists believe at least 2% of the population are telepathic.
There was lots to dig through. Archaeology is sort of my thing, not UFOs as such, why I wanted to see if someone had already done a write up. I know its bs, like the telepathy claim, but I find UFO accounts and the skeptical analysis of them interesting.
fagin
Philosopher
A claim that all psychologists believe at least 2% of the population are telepathic is very different to claiming that some psychologists believe at least 2% of the population are telepathic.
This sentence has a number of ambiguities, many of which were not resolved in later posts.
1. What kind of very vivid images? Mental, artist representations (as suggested by subsequent posts), actual photographs? If well documented by photographs, why use an artist's representation, and why was the entire incident, which sounds very dramatic, forgotten?
2. Does this guy actually believe that the UFOs were extraterrestrial aliens, or some common mis-identification (Venus rising, etc.) or something else? UFO literally means unidentified, and it is never clear what the speaker was proposing.
It is a bit disturbing to hear that the speaker also appears to feel that 2% of the population are telepathic (you guys know that I mean you) and describes himself (?) as an astronomy and archaeologist both.
The Arkansas Sky Observatory appears to be a site for largely amateurs to use their own telescopes and some high end hobbyist telescopes and other equipment. Don't get me wrong- it looks really neat from the web site. But it is hardly an academic establishment and appears to allow its use by many people with a range of credentials.
Klass is a hood recommendation, thanks.
Gawdzilla Sama
TImeToSweepTheLeg
I hadn't heard of his gang connections, but the book UFO Thugs should have tipped me of..
1. Yeah I realize the ambiguity, I apologize.
He says he clearly remembers them, and accompanied this part of his talk with artist's renderings of what it was supposed to have looked like.
There were a few old gray heads in the audience that agreed with his story, but like you say if it was so dramatic I'd figure I would have heard of it before now.
2. Yes. I'd the I don't know exactly what it is, but they exhibit qualities beyond our technology so aliens or maybe future humans seem the most likely possibility types.
The site isn't that impressive, though the site links to his published works are listed there I don't know the quality of them.
His credentials were mentioned at the beginning of the talk, though I don't remember the details. Wish I had now, though they didn't mention archaeology I didn't think to much of the astronomy degree until he went off.