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14-year-old Florida boy beaten for supporting Trump

cullennz said:
Fair point, but I find the hat, the mother's political weirdoness totally irrelevant to what we do know from evidence, which is the video of a bully going nuts and pelting someone in a frenzy, not wearing any hat.

Even her mates backed off when she lost it.

The mother is obviously unreliable as she is a freak and so too anyone who wasn't there, connected to the psycho chick.

Until we have evidence otherwise it is just a nutty bully beating another kid up and going full Berserker
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All true, and agreed. So why is it national news and having its own thread?

Peeps love The Hat, and The Mad Hatters who claim they are a cross to bear
 
Thermal said:
All true, and agreed. So why is it national news and having its own thread?
Peeps love The Hat, and The Mad Hatters who claim they are a cross to bear
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Another fair point

Nothing surprises me these days

If you can fit a orange idiot reference in it she is guaranteed 20 odd pages
 
Darat said:
School yard/bus fight? That's not a matter for the police that's the school and parents' responsibility.
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a) It was on a bus off campus

b) The chick went mental. It was not a school bus fight

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Thermal said:
The mom claims (rightly taken with a dose of skepticism here) that the hospital found older bruising in addition to the fresh ones, and that the kid admitted that bullying had been escalating since he wore the hat to school a while back. If true, that's a causal link.

I'm highly skeptical of this narrative, but can't dismiss it outright on any grounds.
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Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc
 
cullennz said:
Have you seen the video?

It was on a bus, not school grounds, the bully was a complete violent nutcase, and the cops obviously should intervene no matter how much posters question it.
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Hitting people is never the solution, but if both videos are to be believed, then she's the one that got attacked by a violent nutcase first. Which would be the kid whose mother is crying like a little bitch about how her son is the victim for wearing a Trump hat. This is why police do investigations, and get to the bottom of the root causes for violence. This is a specific reason.

cullennz said:
With regard to the incident the mother nuttihood is irrelevant.
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I don't think so at all. It's definitely peripheral as it shows the mindset the son has had to grow up with and has been the person he spends the bulk of his time with. You are who you surround yourself with is a popular phrase.

cullennz said:
Until they get to somesort of formal inquiry and show the kid did something bad and it was pay pack
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There's literal video that I posted upthread. I don't know what else you want. The police were also involved with that and there were punishments handed out as a result.

cullennz said:
And another heads up. Wearing a Trump 2020 hat, as is alleged in the thread OP doesn't count as bad
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No idea what this particular bit of word salad means.

The only thing the Trump hat has to do with anything is that the mother is claiming it was the reason her kid got beat up. She doesn't offer any reasoning at all why her angel decided to beat on a girl earlier in the year. Probably because it doesn't fit her narrative.
 
Thermal said:
The hilites show that you are projecting onto the kid what has not been attributed to him. Only his mom made these claims, and her credibility and objectivity are widely questioned.

As I said earlier, she is fair game for cursing out and insults and the rest. The kid is not.
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The kid not speaking up and saying his mother is completely lying isn't an issue for you, if that were the case? It's not like this happened in 15 minutes. She's made posts over multiple days, he's been in front of the camera, and he has had every opportunity to clear the air. Why hasn't he? Occam's Razor would lead me to believe that he's ok with her description of the events as she is describing them since he hasn't corrected any of it.

Thermal said:
Yes, I agree that pretty much all the interpretations are on equal footing, with so little evidence put forth, and highly questionable evidence at best.
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This is where we differ. I don't find the police to be highly questionable at all. I know you do. For the life of me I can't figure out why, in this case, they are considered highly questionable but when they say the hat wasn't involved, then I have no reason not to believe them. The mother has done nothing other than make a claim, supported by absolutely nothing, that her son was bullied because of the hat. She is running on even less information than the school and the police. Of all of them, she is the person with the least information.

Thermal said:
Which is what I am arguing here: how can anyone run with a narrative or conter narrative with so little to work with? No one in this tale is packing much objective data. Not yet.
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We have plenty of data. We now have 2 videos showing this kid as both the aggressor and the recipient. We also have the same for the girl that was involved. She has been the aggressor and the recipient. She has been repeatedly called a monster and yet you've never seem to come to her defense. Why is that? You have defended the mother, though said that she should be viewed with skepticism. You've defended the kid because he hasn't spoken out. Yet this girl was beaten on and then did beating, yet you have no kind words for her. Ironic, that.

Thermal said:
Not projecting about yourself in the psychological usage. Just projecting motivations and credibility (or lack thereof) on the actors, who are a blank page in terms of what we actually know.
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Do you have an example of this? I find it to be an incorrect characterization of my argument.

Thermal said:
I think at this early point, all judgement is premature. The woman can't be labeled psychotic over freaking retweeting memes, and the boy can't be labeled anything at all.
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There's literal video that shows him beating on people. I can label him based on that. No one else in this thread that's called the other kids monsters have given those kids the same amount of leeway you seem to let this kid enjoy.

Thermal said:
The attacking student with the new video you introduced is likewise on shaky grounds for being viewed as impartial/objective in terms of her narrative. There is no wiggle room here to conclude anything about the players, yet so many post some pretty firm conclusions.
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Yes, you're epitome of true skepticism.That being said, somehow this new video casts the girl on shaky grounds but, again, you seem to not hold the mother and boy to this same standard. You've made several excuses for them throughout this thread, but you can't be bothered to do the same for the others kid. Why is that?
 
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"14 year old Trump supporter . . ."

Good thing they beat him about the head, he obviously doesn't need a brain.
 
qayak said:
"14 year old Trump supporter . . ."

Good thing they beat him about the head, he obviously doesn't need a brain.
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..... and there it is, just as I stated and just as "those of you" insisted I was wrong. We have an adult exulting a young teenager getting a beating based on a half assed reading of the OP.

Wait and see the twisting and turning on this post, I can hear qayaks back breaking from here.
 
bluesjnr said:
Well, there you go......

Can you wait until I rosin up my bow?
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And there's literally no one condoning it. I hadn't even seen it but I've repeatedly said that violence isn't the answer. Don't quote me like I'm wrong, I made that post ******* days ago. Seriously? That's the most disingenuous nonsense I've seen in a long time.

Get over yourself.

Correction: TEN. I made that post TEN days ago and it didn't even take you that many hours to hop up on your soapbox and try to stuff it down everyone's throat like we're all agreeing. Jesus.
 
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plague311 said:
And there's literally no one condoning it. I hadn't even seen it but I've repeatedly said that violence isn't the answer. Don't quote me like I'm wrong, I made that post ******* days ago. Seriously? That's the most disingenuous nonsense I've seen in a long time.

Get over yourself.

Correction: TEN. I made that post TEN days ago and it didn't even take you that many hours to hop up on your soapbox and try to stuff it down everyone's throat like we're all agreeing. Jesus.
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What has the date of your original post, insisting that nobody would endorse violence, got to do with anything?

You said...

I never see people condoning violence in any way, shape or form.
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... and I knew that if this thread went beyond two to three weeks we'd have EXACTLY that which you insist never happens. It's gold! Somebody posted these words

Good thing they beat him about the head
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You wrote..

I never see people condoning violence in any way, shape or form.
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This (for your continued delectation)

qayak said:
"14 year old Trump supporter . . ."

Good thing they beat him about the head, he obviously doesn't need a brain.
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This [my emphasis], your strident insistence (and I'm, apparently, disingenuous);

plague311 said:
I see this every time one of these threads are posted and yet I never see people condoning violence in any way, shape or form.
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I can hear your back breaking.............right................now.
 
bluesjnr said:
Your "definition" is, in this case, at best.... convenient.

You see a joke in the quoted post? I did predict "Wait and see the twisting and turning on this post", didn't see it coming from you.
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You can find prior posts of mine in other threads with the same definition. Convenient? I cited my disagreement with one particular statement based on a common definition of trolling that I share; I am not a Darat fan boy. I don’t even recall if Darat is male or female.

Twisting and turning? Hard not to see it as an attempt at a joke. Nonetheless even though I love dark humor I stated I would not have gone there myself.

Do you see it as truly intended as advocacy? Even if I accept that solely for purposes of discussion clearly it is an extraordinarily minor theme in the thread. I see it as a distraction focusing on if it never happens or if it almost never happens.
 
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bluesjnr said:
..... and there it is, just as I stated and just as "those of you" insisted I was wrong. We have an adult exulting a young teenager getting a beating based on a half assed reading of the OP.

Wait and see the twisting and turning on this post, I can hear qayaks back breaking from here.
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14 year olds get to be tried as adults in the good old US of A.
 
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