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13 victims, ages 2 to 29, kept shackled by parents

I see a strong element of narcissism in the parents. All the boys have the same pudding bowl hair cut as the father and the girls have the same dark flowing locks as the mother. Plus the desire to have a large number of kids in today's age of the smaller family is likely another aspect of the narcissism. Then there's him overseeing his wife having sex with other men trawled from the internet

The torture, starvation and social isolation of the children makes me suspect something unspeakable happened within the family that meant they had to operate in extreme secrecy to cover it up.

Perhaps one of them died and they omitted to report it. Or something of that ilk.
 
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Darat said:
Who will pay for their medical bills?
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ponderingturtle said:
The kids, child services, the adults of course are on their own.
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Crowdfunding perhaps, at some point in the future. For now, there's child protective services and Adult Protective Services. As dependent adults who were abused, they would be covered.

I don't think it's fair to treat the "adults" as "hey, you're on your own now!" in this case. I'm not too concerned that these kids are going to be stuck with a massive hospital bill at the end of this.
 
Puppycow said:
Crowdfunding perhaps, at some point in the future. For now, there's child protective services and Adult Protective Services. As dependent adults who were abused, they would be covered.

I don't think it's fair to treat the "adults" as "hey, you're on your own now!" in this case. I'm not too concerned that these kids are going to be stuck with a massive hospital bill at the end of this.
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That is what our society demands. I am sure they can end up in prison for something at some time, that is the prefered method of dealing with troubled adults after all.

Turning the children out onto the street is the standard for kids in CPS custody when they turn 18 after all. These are all basic standard procedures why should these people get treated any different because their case made the news?
 
ponderingturtle said:
That is what our society demands. I am sure they can end up in prison for something at some time, that is the prefered method of dealing with troubled adults after all.

Turning the children out onto the street is the standard for kids in CPS custody when they turn 18 after all. These are all basic standard procedures why should these people get treated any different because their case made the news?
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CPS is Child Protective Services. There are also adult protective services, by whatever name, for adults who are unable to care for themselves, which is likely the case for the age 18+ people here. The notoriety of the family at least means that there are people who will help them get whatever services are available, which (almost) certainly would include Medicaid, since they don't have jobs or income. I suspect shrinks and social workers will volunteer their time just for a chance to work with such an unusual case. They have relatives that apparently are willing to pitch in. And media attention makes it easier to raise money for them.

It is a tragic commentary, though, on our system that there could be any question about how their treatment will be paid for. In any other First World country with universal health care, no one would even think to ask.
 
Bob001 said:
CPS is Child Protective Services. There are also adult protective services, by whatever name, for adults who are unable to care for themselves, which is likely the case for the age 18+ people here. The notoriety of the family at least means that there are people who will help them get whatever services are available, which (almost) certainly would include Medicaid, since they don't have jobs or income. I suspect shrinks and social workers will volunteer their time just for a chance to work with such an unusual case. They have relatives that apparently are willing to pitch in. And media attention makes it easier to raise money for them.

It is a tragic commentary, though, on our system that there could be any question about how their treatment will be paid for. In any other First World country with universal health care, no one would even think to ask.
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Yep these people are special, a less headline grabbing abuse would of course be totally different and the adult children in that would be on their own unless they are mentally incompetent.

But ending up homeless at 18 is not exactly uncommon for those aging out of CPS.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Yep these people are special, a less headline grabbing abuse would of course be totally different and the adult children in that would be on their own unless they are mentally incompetent.

But ending up homeless at 18 is not exactly uncommon for those aging out of CPS.
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That's why we have for-profit prisons.
Everyone wins.
 
It is possible that one or more of these children were born with mental, neurological and physical disorders which were not caused by any abuse which may have happened. It's possible that the source of "don't know what a police officer is" could be from attempts to talk to children with inherent cognitive disorder.

We cannot assume that all of these children were "normal" at the beginning of their lives.
 
William Parcher said:
Eldest Son Maintained 3.93 GPA at Local Community College




Doesn't know what a police officer is.

http://abc7.com/perris-torture-case-eldest-son-maintained-393-gpa/2978384
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You know, the articles (plural) I read clearly said that some of the children in the house didn't even know what a police officer was. I assume the son taking classes was not one of those. (They probably meant the younger ones who had barely ever been outside at all.)

There's really no inconsistency. Also, the eldest son was taking ONE CLASS at a time. It's really not that difficult to get an A in one class per semester, especially if you have absolutely nothing else going on in your life.

I also don't think it's so odd that these nuts started letting one older kid (male, of course) get a little bit of restricted education. They were probably thinking about things like furthering the family line, what would happen when the parents are deceased, and so on. I just don't find any of it inconsistent. Bonkers, but not inconsistent.
 
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Ok, here is the direct quote from the District Attorney. "Many of the children didn't know what a police officer was."

It's not all of them - but many of them.
 
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William Parcher said:
Ok, here is the direct quote from the District Attorney. "Many of the children didn't know what a police officer was."

It's not all of them - but many of them.
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And it strongly suggests that at least one of them did, which is not inconsistent with the supposition that the one who went to college did.

It's also possible that the source of "don't know what a police officer is" could be from attempts to talk to children with acquired cognitive disorder caused by long term malnutrition. It's also possible that the abuse alleged in the news stories started more recently as a result of which it was the younger children who acquired cognitive disorders, but that the one who attended college had been adequately fed during the relevant stages of development.

I can understand being sceptical about the veracity of all this, but it seems like you're trying to invent inconsistencies where none exist.

Dave
 
Dave Rogers said:
And it strongly suggests that at least one of them did, which is not inconsistent with the supposition that the one who went to college did.
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The DA used the word many. I really hope that it wasn't one or two and he decided to say many.

It's also possible that the source of "don't know what a police officer is" could be from attempts to talk to children with acquired cognitive disorder caused by long term malnutrition. It's also possible that the abuse alleged in the news stories started more recently as a result of which it was the younger children who acquired cognitive disorders, but that the one who attended college had been adequately fed during the relevant stages of development.

I can understand being sceptical about the veracity of all this, but it seems like you're trying to invent inconsistencies where none exist.
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I'm not trying to invent inconsistencies. I'm seeing them and reading them. "They were all forced to sleep during the day" may or may not be an inconsistent claim.

I'm sorry if my curiosity and skepticism is difficult to stomach.
 
No, you're definitely inventing inconsistencies. One adult going to college doesn't conflict even in the least with the statement that "many" of the children didn't know what a police officer was, or that the kids were made to habitually sleep during the day time. And your ability to dismiss the observations of police who discovered the children and the state of the house in situ, and the medical opinions of doctors who have actually been treating the family for the last week, based on your personal interpretation of a still photograph taken two years ago is amusingly 911-truther-like.
 
Just as an aside

We don't that GPA thingy Americans do.

Is 3.93 crap, good or mahh?
 
cullennz said:
Just as an aside

We don't that GPA thingy Americans do.

Is 3.93 crap, good or mahh?
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Mostly A's and A-'s. Depending on the school and number of credits taken, possibly a B+ could slip in there.

My current GPA is 3.9, so it certainly doesn't require a whiz. I very much doubt the kid was taking advanced math or science classes. (I think I remember reading the current class's subject was music, but I could have dreamed that up, and I simply refuse to go check right now because I have too many tabs open already.)


Maintaining an A in six (consecutive - that part is important) freshman-level college courses in something like humanities or accounting is a cakewalk. People who screw those kinds of classes up typically do it because they slack, skip sessions, or don't complete assignments.

If this boy was the oldest and the abuse started later in his life (which seems to be the case), he was probably among the least cognitively affected children. Hence a potential reason for his scumbag parents to let him learn a thing or two, since he was probably next in line to be responsible for the rest of the brood.
 
cullennz said:
Just as an aside

We don't that GPA thingy Americans do.

Is 3.93 crap, good or mahh?
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4.0 is perfect. We don't know what his curricula was for the 6 semesters. But it does suggest that his home schooling was good. That would be in spite of the shackling, beating, strangling, starvation, sleeping during the day, etc.

He would have also qualified for admission to this college which is here: https://www.msjc.edu
 
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