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13 victims, ages 2 to 29, kept shackled by parents

William Parcher said:
His public defender is quoted as saying that he will engage a "vigorous defense", and that the case will be tried in court and not in public.

I wouldn't be surprised if they attempt to have the trial location moved.
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Exactly where? I don't see much hope of a sympathetic jury anywhere in California.

ETA: I know that much of the US sees Cali has a hippie, liberal place, but that is far from the case. The county I live in is 75% Republican. The Bay Area (San Francisco, Oakland, Berkeley, Palo Alto) is very liberal, but I doubt a trial there would be very different.
 
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William Parcher said:
His public defender is quoted as saying that he will engage a "vigorous defense", and that the case will be tried in court and not in public.

I wouldn't be surprised if they attempt to have the trial location moved.
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Accomplishing what in a case that has international media attention?
 
TheGoldcountry said:
Exactly where? I don't see much hope of a sympathetic jury anywhere in California.

ETA: I know that much of the US sees Cali has a hippie, liberal place, but that is far from the case. The county I live in is 75% Republican. The Bay Area (San Francisco, Oakland, Berkeley, Palo Alto) is very liberal, but I doubt a trial there would be very different.
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I'm pretty sure the one thing all Californians can agree on is that torturing and starving children is bad.
 
TheGoldcountry said:
Exactly where? I don't see much hope of a sympathetic jury anywhere in California.
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I don't know where. Requests to move trials are not uncommon when there is heavy media coverage. I'm not implying that it would be effective. I said I wouldn't be surprised if it's asked for.
 
Checkmite said:
She could certainly try. The success of such a gamble will of course depend on what the children have to say about her role in the abuse during their testimony.
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Interesting point. 7 (?) of them are adults and could testify in open court. The usual tactics used against witnesses who happen to be minors would not apply.

Nor would the protections provided by the state.

Does the US have some rule for exceptional cases? I have no idea.
 
Darat said:
Who will pay for their medical bills?
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Chances are they would be enrolled in Medicaid, the insurance program for lower-income people (that the ACA expanded and Republicans keep trying to cut), and/or CHIP, the health plan for lower-income children (that is the subject of budget debates now). The state also likely has a budget for emergency social services that would include medical care. The doctors and hospitals also might write some of it off as uncompensated care.
https://www.coveredca.com/medi-cal/
http://govthub.com/california-benef...erm=california chip&utm_campaign=GH+CHIP+S+CA

But this is the only country in the First World where that question could even be asked. Everywhere else, everybody takes coverage or insurance in one form or another for granted.
 
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Bob001 said:
Question: How can these kids be helped? And what is the likely outcome? If people have gotten into their teens and 20s with no education, limited exposure to the outside world, and pretty much continuous physical and mental abuse, including starvation, how much damage can be repaired?
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Speaking from no authority whatsoever (I program computers for a living; I'm not a sociologist nor child development expert) I'd say the younger the child is, the better their chances.

How long would it take them to learn to read and write on the high school level, if they have to start from scratch? What physical deficits can be overcome? How can they learn to interact with other children their own age, who are very likely to shun them as weird? Will they be able to hold jobs? Etc.
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A couple of the children seem to be mentally handicapped; they will likely need long term care and end up in group homes. I'd say the boys will do all right, especially the one going to college. By extrapolation, the younger girls will as well. They do know how to read and write, so that gives them a great head start.

If, however, their overall knowledge of the outside world comes from Disney movies, they'll be in for some unpleasant surprises.

As for school. I don't really know how well kids in general get along at school. If they can make a friend or two that will help a lot. I expect the majority of the other kids at the school will ignore them.
 
With regard to costs, I doubt the kids will have a problem

Apparently there have already been offers from rich weirdos round the world asking to adopt them.

Sending loads of cash is the obvious alternative

Not that they don't deserve every penny they can get though.
 
The two dogs are being adopted out, but I don't know if that's such a good idea. Those kids might have emotional ties to them and there might be goodness in keeping them together. "We loved our pooches but the government took them away from us." That's not cool.
 
Darat said:
Why couldn't he use the same defence he was coerced by his wife?
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The Postman Always Rings Twice

When each defendant blames the other, the natural inclination is to say, "To hell with both of you."
 
Blue Mountain said:
I'd say the boys will do all right, especially the one going to college.
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Hmmm...maybe "going to college" might accidentally carry some misleading suggestions about how much freedom and agency he had. What I've read specifies that it was going to a music class at a local community college while his mother who drove him waited in the parking lot.

Interestingly we have this information from a classmate:

A former college classmate of one of the 13 tortured children said she will never forget the young man who wore the same clothes every day and didn't look anyone in the eye.
Angie Parra took a music class with one of the older children of the brood at Mount San Jacinto College. She described the young man as a "sweet, but odd introvert" in an interview with NBC4.
Parra also said he was "famished" and recalled when he scarfed down food at a school potluck.
"He stood by the table and didn’t sit down," Parra said. "He literally ate plate after plate after plate."

"I could see sadness in his face," she said. "His eyes – he never wanted to make eye contact with anyone."
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So it turns out the fact one of them attended a college class is hardly an "inconsistency" or somehow exculpatory of the parents, in fact his classmates even made observations about his appearance and demeanor that are consistent with chronic maltreatment at home.
 
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NBC Los Angeles said:
forced them to eat rationed meals once per day. The 13 children – whose ages ranged from 2 to 29 – were forced to stay awake through the night and sleep through the day.
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One meal per day in the middle of the night. Another article says they all went to bed at 4-5am. Again I wonder if the mother had that same sleep cycle so that she would be awake when the children were awake. Was the college class during daytime or night?
 
Checkmite said:
What difference does it make?
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I'm curious if he had a different sleep cycle to attend day classes. Like was he the only one sleeping at night?

The local fire department has some explaining to do. Annual fire inspections are mandatory for schools including private schools like this home. But it's reported that there never were any inspections there. If there had been, the inspectors would have seen the situation and also seen that all of the students are asleep.

The trips to Disneyland and other photographed outdoor activities must have been a challenge for kids conditioned to sleep during the daytime. I would expect them to flop down and fall asleep right there in the Magic Kingdom.
 
William Parcher said:
I'm curious if he had a different sleep cycle to attend day classes. Like was he the only one sleeping at night?
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Obviously if the class was during the day, he had to have been awake for it; so logically he would have been either made to wake up "early" or kept up "late" relative to the rest on the day of the class. When I took classes at a community college most classes met one, occasionally two days a week.

William Parcher said:
The local fire department has some explaining to do. Annual fire inspections are mandatory for schools including private schools like this home. But it's reported that there never were any inspections there.
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That is certainly true. Irrespective of the torture allegations, it has been independently verified that the home was registered as a "private school", and that despite legal requirements the local safety department never inspected the residence even once.
 
The whole thing could have been stopped with one fire inspection. They were home schooled for their entire lives.
 
Bob001 said:
Question: How can these kids be helped? And what is the likely outcome? If people have gotten into their teens and 20s with no education, limited exposure to the outside world, and pretty much continuous physical and mental abuse, including starvation, how much damage can be repaired? How long would it take them to learn to read and write on the high school level, if they have to start from scratch? What physical deficits can be overcome? How can they learn to interact with other children their own age, who are very likely to shun them as weird? Will they be able to hold jobs? Etc.
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There are similarities to the Jaycee Duggard case: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Jaycee_Dugard

She has been very forthright in describing her ordeal and how she continues to recover from it.
 
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