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[Merged] Syrian Civil War heats up again/Damascus about to fall

Yep, here we go ----

"...what happened in Syria is the result of a joint American and Zionist plan." --- Khamenei, the High Exalted Ayatollah and Supreme Leader of Iran. ('the primary conspirator, the main planner, and the central command room are in the United States and the Zionist regime' he claimed).​

 
webfusion said:
Yep, here we go ----

"...what happened in Syria is the result of a joint American and Zionist plan." --- Khamenei, the High Exalted Ayatollah and Supreme Leader of Iran. ('the primary conspirator, the main planner, and the central command room are in the United States and the Zionist regime' he claimed).​

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Well, Biden basically agrees.
 
jt512 said:
Well, Biden basically agrees. (With the idea that Israel and the USA are 'responsible')
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Biden/Harris can be only credited with a complete whiff on their efforts regarding Hezbollah, HAMAS, and other Iranian-backed forces. Instead of bringing the full weight and power of the US military in support of Israel, those two managed to backtrack and waffle at every turn throughout the past year.
(And the President STILL got tagged as GenocideJoe anyway).

Fortunately for the Jewish State, the coming 90-days will be a complete reversal of the outgoing losers at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
It'll look a lot like the last days of the Jimmy Carter term, as Reagan told Iran in no uncertain language to release the US hostages "or Else..." and they did, post-haste.
 
plague, I had offered no comment regarding Reagan's relationship with Iran's mullahs.
My point was that Biden acted so wishy-washy that HAMAS laughed at him.
Iran also, as they urged Yemen's terrorists and Lebannon's terrorists to join in the adventure, US aircraft carriers be damned.

The incoming POTUS is not going to allow that to continue, and our hostages (including cadavers) should soon be returned. That was my only point.
 
webfusion said:
plague, I had offered no comment regarding Reagan's relationship with Iran's mullahs.
My point was that Biden acted so wishy-washy that HAMAS laughed at him.
Iran also, as they urged Yemen's terrorists and Lebannon's terrorists to join in the adventure, US aircraft carriers be damned.

The incoming POTUS is not going to allow that to continue, and our hostages (including cadavers) should soon be returned. That was my only point.
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This would be the same POTUS who has never really kept a promise in his last presidency and was elected on a platform of isolationism?
The one whose candidates for actual government positions dealing with international relationships and army are based upon how much money they paid him while kissing his behind without any actual consideration of skills?
That POTUS?
 
webfusion said:
plague, I had offered no comment regarding Reagan's relationship with Iran's mullahs.
My point was that Biden acted so wishy-washy that HAMAS laughed at him.
Iran also, as they urged Yemen's terrorists and Lebannon's terrorists to join in the adventure, US aircraft carriers be damned.

The incoming POTUS is not going to allow that to continue, and our hostages (including cadavers) should soon be returned. That was my only point.
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Trump is a buffoon and his cabinet picks are useless arseholes.

He will make no difference, they already laugh at him.

In fact they are still laughing at him from the first time.
 
Mike Waltz is not Trump.
Elon Musk is not Trump.
Huckabee is not Trump.
Rubio is not Trump.
 
So ignore that Trump is wannabe dictator just because he supports Israel.
I cannot tell you how much I despise One Issue Voters.
 
dudalb said:
So ignore that Trump is wannabe dictator just because he supports Israel.
I cannot tell you how much I despise One Issue Voters.
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How did you get that from the responses?

While I do think he's a wannabe dictator I suspect he'll support Israel as effectively as he built the wall, supported women's rights an handled Covid in his last term.
 
Syria won't be allowed to succeed as a State - Israel has already decided that it doesn't get to have the means to defend itself (completely illegally, of course).
Too many factions want Syria to be what it wants, and it would rather see it destroyed than let anyone else make it their chess piece.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Syria won't be allowed to succeed as a State - Israel has already decided that it doesn't get to have the means to defend itself (completely illegally, of course).
Too many factions want Syria to be what it wants, and it would rather see it destroyed than let anyone else make it their chess piece.
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Plus it's also full of semitic arabs, or untermenschen in official Israeli parlance.
 
Mike! said:
To be fair, webfusion is in Israel, not the U.S.
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I am an Israeli citizen currently residing in America, actually.
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BREAKING NEWS: Syrian Arabs (Druze) want to be 'annexed' to the Jewish State, as 'brothers'

'We're with those who preserve our dignity.'​

www.jpost.com

'What’s our fate, our brothers?': Syrian Druze call to be annexed to Israel

A convention of dignitaries from the Druze village of Hader in the Syrian Golan called to join the Israeli Golan.
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I don't buy the "we have to destroy chemical weapon depots" line: chemical weapons don't become harmless when you blow them up. Israel has hyperbaric weapons, and has used them in the last year, but not to my knowledge in Syria.
 
Massad Boules and Steve Witkoff are hitting the ground running, with discussions in-person with various Arab nations taking place even before the official Jan20 Inauguration.
Essentially, the idea is to secure a mega-deal, with the Palestinian 'cause' being placed into the hopper and seeing what they can grind out.
Last Wednesday, Boules met with King Abdullah of Jordan in WashingtonDC, and also visited Qatar’s Prime Minister on a trip to Doha.
Special Envoy for Hostage Affairs, Adam Boehler, is due in Israel this week.
Steve Witkoff met with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and UAE National Security Advisor, Sheikh Tahnoun bin Zayed.

The wild-card that the incoming Admin. is holding close to their chests may involve China.
Reportedly, the Chinese leader has been invited to attend the POTUS swearing-in ceremony on Jan20th.

From where I sit, the Palestinians are being squeezed from all sides, and BITCOIN is becoming the lingua franca.
 
webfusion said:
Massad Boules and Steve Witkoff are hitting the ground running, with discussions in-person with various Arab nations taking place even before the official Jan20 Inauguration.
Essentially, the idea is to secure a mega-deal, with the Palestinian 'cause' being placed into the hopper and seeing what they can grind out.
Last Wednesday, Boules met with King Abdullah of Jordan in WashingtonDC, and also visited Qatar’s Prime Minister on a trip to Doha.
Special Envoy for Hostage Affairs, Adam Boehler, is due in Israel this week.
Steve Witkoff met with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and UAE National Security Advisor, Sheikh Tahnoun bin Zayed.

The wild-card that the incoming Admin. is holding close to their chests may involve China.
Reportedly, the Chinese leader has been invited to attend the POTUS swearing-in ceremony on Jan20th.

From where I sit, the Palestinians are being squeezed from all sides, and BITCOIN is becoming the lingua franca.
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I thought that was illegal?
 
Darat, they aren't acting in any official government capacity, AFAIK.
It's just meetings between guys who have 'interests' and all parties realize the incapacity and insolvency of the current (lame-duck) POTUS, and what is about to come along like a freight train.

As I indicated, these are businessmen and executives who are sick and tired of the Harris & Biden lack of effort.
Gaza was/is a basket case, and these folks are going to fix that.
(Elon Musk owns a company that can connect Gaza with Al-Quds/al-Khalil -- a distance of around 40 miles)
Think of that, everyone has been wondering how Palestinians can form a State that is 'contiguous' and Elon has the solution, costing about $10M per mile.
 
I skipped a post above, wherein a comment was made about DJT.

"This would be the same POTUS who has never really kept a promise in his last presidency..." (post #168)

Now, I am not quite sure if my memory serves me right but somewhere in the recesses of my brain, it seemed that the relocation of the US Embassy to Jerusalem was accomplished by 45, just as several previous Presidents had been told by Congress to do. (They kept issuing waivers to prevent it --- DJT simply said, I'm not signing onto another delay, make that happen... and it did)

Also, wasn't there a rather groundbreaking Abraham Accord instituted by 45? (which he appears ready to expand with the Saudis, et.al. basically immediately after taking office)

While, sitting in a drawer is a detailed and comprehensive program leading to actual and lasting peace.
(not implemented at the time, due to HAMAS and others refusing to consider it, because they'd rather continue killing Jews and avoid seeking peace)

Peace to Prosperity

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trustbutverify said:
How, exactly, did the US trigger the fall of the House of Assad? Because Biden took credit and Khomeini issued blame?
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From my limited understanding, this whole situation caught the entire world by surprise.

Joe Biden probably had probably never heard of HTS before this.

I was actually impressed by the statement issued today by HTS leader telling Israel to please leave (along with "all other foreign forces") -- Lord knows he has a huge task ahead of him to bring Syria forward, and with a little bit of luck, even the USA, under 47's admin, will start to provide the needed support (and withdraw US forces, as well).

www.jpost.com

Israel has no more excuses for entering Syria, rebel leader Julani says in first major TV interview

Julani called for the end of all foreign intervention in Syria in the interest of restabilizing and rebuilding the country.
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The US has worked for regime change for a very long time, and to that end supported Syrian Free Army, the Kurds and others. It has also regularly bombed Syria strategically.
 
Assad fell now primarily for one reason -

Ukraine has literally decimated the Russian Armed Forces multiple times over.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The US has worked for regime change for a very long time, and to that end supported Syrian Free Army, the Kurds and others. It has also regularly bombed Syria strategically.
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Where is your evidence that the US triggered Assad's fall? Not somewhat contributed, but triggered.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Syria won't be allowed to succeed as a State - Israel has already decided that it doesn't get to have the means to defend itself (completely illegally, of course).
Too many factions want Syria to be what it wants, and it would rather see it destroyed than let anyone else make it their chess piece.
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Do please explain how you think having a failed state, swarming with jihadists with reay accesss to all kinds of heavy-duty military hardware, is what Israel wants on its border.
 
An example of the intensity of the Israeli airstrikes. Over 500 so far:

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That last one appears to show several kilotons of material detonating. HTS claims that they are not jihadist anymore and that they don't want close ties to Russia. But with Israel pulling s*** like this, the Syrian moderates will get sidelined real fast and pressure will build to re-establish ties with Russia for protection. Israel is way past the point where these started to be counter-productive.
 
Dr.Sid said:
You can believe what people are saying or you can make sure. Russia won't help anyone any time soon.
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But this doesn't "make sure", unless you mean that it empowers the jihadist factions and "makes sure" that they'll end up on top.

Right now the Salvation Government is claiming moderation; for that effort they get bombed every day. It's not hard to see that this is not going to help the moderates at all. Israel's current actions are probably helping the extremists, not hurting them.
 
I am pretty sure that the Israelis are glad these stored munitions will never get to be launched at them.

Neutering Syria, neutering Lebanon, neutering Gaza. (and asking the Palestinian National Authority to neuter the jihadists across the ex-green lines).

www.jpost.com

US asks Israel to approve equipment, supplies for PA to fight surge of West Bank terrorism - report

Palestinian and American sources have suggested that the operation in Jenin reflects a "Syria effect," fearing that Islamist terrorists could overthrow the PA.
www.jpost.com www.jpost.com
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Do please explain how you think having a failed state, swarming with jihadists with reay accesss to all kinds of heavy-duty military hardware, is what Israel wants on its border.
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It's still illegal.
But Israel gets, as always, a free pass to break international laws, and you don't care.

Where is the news about Israeli soldiers being punished for torturing and killing prisoners?
 
How many innocent Syrians die in these attacks? I can only surmise like others here that Israel doesn’t care if it’s actions generate hate.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
It's still illegal.
But Israel gets, as always, a free pass to break international laws,
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Well, apart from ICC court judgements, UN resolutions and international condemnation, but, sure, apart from all the consequences, they get a free pass. :xrolleyes
The Great Zaganza said:
and you don't care.
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No idea where you got that from, but I suspect you're currently sitting on it.
The Great Zaganza said:
Where is the news about Israeli soldiers being punished for torturing and killing prisoners?
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I don't know. Why are you asking me?
 
steenkh said:
How many innocent Syrians die in these attacks? I can only surmise like others here that Israel doesn’t care if it’s actions generate hate.
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Is this your famous "support for Israel" we've been hearing so much about?
Let me spell it out for you. If these munitions fall into the hands of jihadists- and Syria is currently awash with Islamist militants- they could easily be used against Israel. How many innocent Israelis would then die? I doubt you care, but I imagine the casualties could be significant.
Israel has to balance that threat against the possibility of Syrian civilian deaths, as they take steps to neutralise these munitions. Now, you name any country, anywhere in the world, that would decline to act against a very real threat of chemical attack, or mass-casualty terror attacks, because there could be some collateral damage in the other country. Go ahead: name one.
Now, it is possible that Israel could open talks with the nascent Syrian government, but there is no indication that this government actually has enough control over Syria to be able to guard the weapons stocks against theft from militants. So, that leads to another question: do you think Israel should sit and wait, hoping that none of the weapons will be stolen? What would the consequences be if they get it wrong? Would you be able to live with that?
Is Bibi taking advantage of this situation? Yes, obviously. Are his motives pure? No, obviously not. However, there are few better alternatives that I can see, with regard to these munitions stockpiles.
 
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