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So what form does the resistance take?

theprestige said:
Done and done. I was responding to dann's argument in the context of that argument. You misunderstood. I clarified. Are you still misunderstanding?
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Where did you clarify? I don't see any edit to the post in question (not a relevant one, anyway), nor a clarification in a subsequent post.
 
A President should not be taking soo much joy in deporting anyone to an evil place. I fear ◊◊◊◊ is gonna go down within 6 months.
 
theprestige said:
dann argued that the low approval ratings supported the claim that Trump voters are taking to the streets in significant numbers.
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A quote is notably absent, but even from your description, your original claim reversed cause and effect in what dann actually argued.

ETA: Ninja'd by Reformed Offlian.
 
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theprestige said:
Done and done. I was responding to dann's argument in the context of that argument. You misunderstood. I clarified. Are you still misunderstanding?
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I told you what I was talking about. You said it seemed different than what you thought I was talking about.

I naturally assumed that since you could see a difference what I told you I meant and what you thought I meant, you were now clear on what I meant.

If you still think there's an argument being made that low approval ratings are the impetus for protests, take it up with dann. I don't think he's making that argument, but maybe you do?
 
theprestige said:
I told you what I was talking about. You said it seemed different than what you thought I was talking about.

I naturally assumed that since you could see a difference what I told you I meant and what you thought I meant, you were now clear on what I meant.

If you still think there's an argument being made that low approval ratings are the impetus for protests, take it up with dann. I don't think he's making that argument, but maybe you do?
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You made that argument, right here:
theprestige said:
Swing voters aren't known for their ideological passion, nor for marching in the streets when presidential approval ratings go down.
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Hercules56 said:
What the hell does that mean?

I was hoping maybe you could find the judge who deported him.

Or find the deportation order.
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Why is this my job? You're the one implying due process wasn't followed. You're the one who needs to do some legwork.
Hercules56 said:
I am assuming it exists but so far I can't find it.
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Then we have nothing to talk about.
 
theprestige said:
No. I argued that there's no correlation between the two things, rebutting dann's argument from approval ratings.

Since I don't believe low approval ratings are the impetus for protests, I can say with absolute certainty that you misunderstood what I was trying to say.
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Yes, my misunderstanding lies in the words you used and the order you put them in.
 
theprestige said:
Thank you for bringing this back to my attention. I missed it the first time around.
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No, you didn't. You responded to the correction in that other thread -rather snarkily, in fact, and then tried to pass it off as a mistake.

It was only a few days ago, so "I must have forgotten about it" doesn't really fly, either.
 
theprestige said:
Thank you for bringing this back to my attention. I missed it the first time around.

Are you claiming this deportation followed the expedited removal process?
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I'm claiming that this "ICE isn't in charge of that decision. It would be an immigration court judge." is an untrue statement. ICE has authority to remove people without going through an immigration judge.

Do you deny that?
 
johnny karate said:
I'm claiming that this "ICE isn't in charge of that decision. It would be an immigration court judge." is an untrue statement. ICE has authority to remove people without going through an immigration judge.

Do you deny that?
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I do not deny that.

I do, however, deny that the expedited removal process gives ICE carte blanche authority to deport anyone, any time, for any reason or no reason at all.

Has an expedited removal order been issued?

Has any deportation order been issued?

If there's no deportation order, how does this guy even know he's been deported? How does anyone else know he's been deported?
 
theprestige said:
I do not deny that.

I do, however, deny that the expedited removal process gives ICE carte blanche authority to deport anyone, any time, for any reason or no reason at all.

Has an expedited removal order been issued?

Has any deportation order been issued?

If there's no deportation order, how does this guy even know he's been deported? How does anyone else know he's been deported?
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You denied ICE had the authority at all. They very clearly do, as was previously pointed out to you. Is there a reason you lied about that?
 
Guys, let theprestige continue to believe that not one single former MAGA Republican is now cheering for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders. For all I care, he could claim that the crowds at the Fighting-Oligarchy rallies are all Antifa, crisis actors and FBI agents.
theprestige said:
Not in Portland, OR they're not!
Low approval ratings don't typically result in anti-administration protests. Nobody took to the streets when Biden was polling low.
It's entirely comprehensible to me that such a thing is technically possible. I just don't find it very plausible. I've seen no evidence that these turnout numbers include any significant proportion of disgruntled redcaps.
LOL MSNBC. Likely those "massive crowds" are every single disgruntled blue voter from every single blue urban enclave in the state. You're living in fantasy land if you seriously believe redcaps are going to join with Sanders and AOC over Trump's policies.
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LOL, theprestige is living in a fantasy land where MAGA voters cannot possibly regret having actually voted for being impoverished by billionaires when they thought they were voting for the 'elites' being dethroned.
As for 'seen no evidence'. Very few Republicans have the courage to appear in public speaking out against Trump and MAGA.
Senator Sanders' office says of the people who have been RSVPing for these events, yes, most of them are Democrats, but they say 21% of people turning out for these events are independents. And they say 8% of people turning out for these rallies are Republicans. And 8%, I know, 8% sounds like single digits, but 8%, when you're talking about, like, about like 200,000 people they've spoken to at these events thus far, that's saying something.
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Is that evidence that Trump voters are supporting AOC and Sanders?
No, of course not.
Does theprestige have evidence that people at Sanders' office are lying about 8% of people at their rallies being Republicans?
No, of course he hasn't.

But while we're waiting for evidence to appear, I can recommend this video:
Chinese TikTokers SCHOOL Trump Supporters About Their OWN Country: “You Guys are Really Dumb” (The Humanist Report on YouTube, April 18, 2025 - 20:22 min.)
The reaction to Trump’s tariffs by Chinese TikTokers triggered the ire of Trump’s supporters, who decided to lash out with vitriolic responses. Unfortunately for Trump’s supporters, it ended in their complete and utter humiliation, as the Chinese TikTokers responded with ruthless humor and facts, but also compassion. In particular, they discussed how Donald Trump is a conman, how his supporters are “really dumb” and propagandized, and how Americans let oligarchs “rob” them and thank them for doing it. In this video we’ll react to the dunkfest and explain how sad it is that Americans don’t already know the things these Chinese TikTokers are trying to teach them.
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Those Chinese TikTokers kicking MAGA *** are the most hilarious thing I've watched this month! 🤣
 
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theprestige said:
Thank you for the correction. I agree. I was persistently and inexcusably wrong on that point.

But there still needs to be a government order of some kind. Otherwise, how does anyone know when someone is deported?
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You're assuming a lot. Things under trump may be very unofficial and haphazard. They may have simply decided to ignore the stay on deportation and thats it.
 
Hercules56 said:
You're assuming a lot. Things under trump may be very unofficial and haphazard. They may have simply decided to ignore the stay on deportation and thats it.
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They may have thrown the guy out of an unmarked helicopter somewhere south of the border and fired a few warning shots to make sure he got the message.

They may have done a lot of things. What are you saying they actually did?

Better yet, what is he saying they actually did? How does he know he's been deported?
 
theprestige said:
They may have thrown the guy out of an unmarked helicopter somewhere south of the border and fired a few warning shots to make sure he got the message.

They may have done a lot of things. What are you saying they actually did?

Better yet, what is he saying they actually did? How does he know he's been deported?
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They chose to reverse the judge's order to stay deportation. And then they deported him. Pretty simple.
 
theprestige said:
You're saying he's been deported. He's saying he's been deported. How do either of you know he's been deported? You can't find the order. He hasn't produced any such order. How can you condemn a deportation that nobody can show actually took place?
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Uh huh...
 
kookbreaker said:
Radical Leftist Communist Socialist DEI Hire David Brooks calls for National Civic Uprising against Trump.

www.mediaite.com

Conservative NYT Columnist David Brooks Calls for ‘National Civic Uprising’ to Defeat Trumpism – Complete With ‘Mass Rallies, Strikes’

Conservative New York Times columnist David Brooks has called for a mass uprising to oppose President Donald Trump, going so far as to quote The Communist Manifesto.
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David Brooks gets Trump derangement syndrome.
 
theprestige said:
You're finally starting to ask the right questions! Go find the ruling; then maybe I'll have an opinion and we can debate.
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theprestige said:
Then we have nothing to talk about.
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That's convenient. If the ruling that should have been made simply does not exist because ICE short-circuited the process and acted illegally, you exempt yourself from an opinion?
 
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