So what form does the resistance take?

steenkh said:
‘U.S. District Judge Terry A. Doughty said the girl, who was referred to as "V.M.L." in court documents, was deported with her mother.

“It is illegal and unconstitutional to deport, detain for deportation, or recommend deportation of a U.S. citizen,” Doughty said.’

I guess this judge will soon end up in prison.
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The narrative being developed on the right is that the mother was being deported and willingly took her child with her so there is no deportation of a US citizen.
 
Hercules56 said:
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Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney.bsky.social)

NEW: A federal judge raised alarm Friday that the Trump administration appeared to have deported a 2-year-old U.S. citizen to Honduras with "no meaningful process" — even as her father was fighting to keep her in the country. Details w/ @joshgerstein.bsky.social...
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Also too . . .


Gracie Willis of the National Immigration Project said the mothers, at the very least, did not have a fair opportunity to decide whether they wanted the children to stay in the United States.

“We have no idea what ICE was telling them, and in this case what has come to light is that ICE didn’t give them another alternative,” Willis said in an interview. “They didn’t gave them a choice, that these mothers only had the option to take their children with them despite loving caregivers being available in the United States to keep them here.”

The 4-year-old — who is suffering from a rare form of cancer — and the 7-year-old were deported to Honduras within a day of being arrested with their mother, Willis said.

In the case involving the 2-year-old, a federal judge in Louisiana raised questions about the deportation of the girl, saying the government did not prove it had done so properly.

Lawyers for the girl’s father insisted he wanted the girl to remain with him in the U.S., while ICE contended the mother had wanted the girl to be deported with her to Honduras, claims that weren’t fully vetted by U.S. District Judge Terry Doughty in Louisiana.
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steenkh said:
‘U.S. District Judge Terry A. Doughty said the girl, who was referred to as "V.M.L." in court documents, was deported with her mother.

“It is illegal and unconstitutional to deport, detain for deportation, or recommend deportation of a U.S. citizen,” Doughty said.’

I guess this judge will soon end up in prison.
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I also note, from what I've read, that the administration is using the same lame argument when confronted with the issue, that it was not possible to do anything, because by the time the problem was pointed out, the child was outside of US custody.

As long as you leave a big hole open, they will drop people down it and then say "ooops, sorry, they're already down it, too late!" That's what will keep happening as long as people fail to understand what due process is about.
 
To Our Establishment Friends in the Democratic Party: (April 29, 2025 - 14:20 min.)
13:00--> We are taking on the oligarchs and their unlimited wealth.
We're taking on corporate America and the media that they own.
We're taking on Donald Trump and the Republican party.
And we're taking on the fossilized section of the Democratic Party, which cannot shake loose from their top-down politics their wealthy campaign donors and their super PACs.
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Biden’s successful farewell: A message of love to the world power of democratic affections (RuthlessCriticism/Gegenstandpunkt, March 2025)
Trump’s perfect first days: A “common sense” revolution: Consolidating power, unleashing the nation’s will and ability to win (RuthlessCriticism/Gegenstandpunkt, March 2025)
 
Anti-Trump 'May Day' protests erupt coast to coast (CNN on YouTube, May 2, 2025 - 8:01 min.)
Scores of people are taking to the streets in cities including Los Angeles, New York City and Washington, DC, for May Day – or International Workers’ Day – to protest what they call an assault on immigrants, workers and students exercising their right to free speech.
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From worker strikes to activism, multiple May Day protests held throughout the Bay Area (ABC7 News Bay Area, May 2, 2025 - 4:22. min.)
In the Bay Area and all over the world, May Day saw crowds gathering for a range of topics and issues, ranging from workers' rights to immigration and presidential policies.
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May Day protests erupt globally and in Phoenix (FOX 10 Phoenix, May 2, 2025 - 2:56 min.)
Protesters around the world took to the streets for May Day, including right here in Phoenix, rallying against the Trump administration and for the rights of workers internationally.
A few thousand marchers took a 10-block trip in downtown Phoenix on May 1, from the Arizona State Capitol to the Sandra Day O'Connor federal courthouse.
They are angry with Trump and Elon Musk for federal cutbacks, tariffs, immigration and more. The signs they carried read things like "hands off my veteran benefits", "stop deportation and tariffs" and "dump Trump."
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May Day marches, protests take place in NYC (CBS New York, May 2, 2025 - 2:34 min.)
May Day marches and protests are happening in New York and worldwide, highlighting workers rights and the fight for economic justice. CBS News New York's Jennifer Bisram reports.
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Bernie Sanders Delivers Fiery May Day Speech Slamming Trump In Philadelphia, PA (Forbes Breaking News, May 1, 2025 - 21:38 min.)
On Thursday, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) delivered a speech at a May Day Rally in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
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Read Bob Heinlein's "Revolt in 2100" for the kind of resistence that might be necessary.
 
Hercules Rockefeller said:
That looks like some pretty weak sauce to me, am I wrong? If you don't kindle the fire it's going to die out soon.
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Yes, you are wrong.
That is why the fire needs to be kindled, which is what an old guy like Bernie Sanders is doing - unlike the majority of Democrats:
Bernie Sanders Criticizes Democratic Party, Lambasts Trump In Bethlehem, PA (Forbes on YouTube, May 3, 2025 - 33:49 min.)
24:00--> At a time when billionaires have enormous power in both parties, are they prepared to work vigorously to overturn Citizens United?
[Applause]
Today in America, the top wealthiest person in this country, if you can believe it, owns more wealth than the bottom 53% of households. You got that? One guy! Top 1% owns more wealth than the bottom 93%.
CEOs now make 350 times more than their average workers, so these people on top, they are very religious people. But it's a strange kind of religion. You know, all of the major religions on Earth speak in one way or another about doing unto others as you would like them to do unto you, right? Christianity Judaism, Islam, whatever kind of that's the heart and soul of many major religions what the religion of these oligarchs are is greed, greed and more greed,.
And that greed is destroying our country. We got to stand up to it and end it.
[12 sec. applause]
So it is not just about not giving them massive tax breaks that Trump wants. It's about telling these large corporations and billionaires they are going to start paying their fair share of taxes. [Applause]
All over America workers want to join unions. [Applause] And they want to join unions because they know that when you're in a union, you can negotiate decent wages, working conditions, and benefits [Applause]. But employers know that too, and they're making it harder and harder for
workers to join unions. That's why we need to pass legislation that punishes any employer who denies workers the constitutional right to form a
union.
Here in Pennsylvania and in many parts of this country, there are workers earning starvation wages, millions of workers all over America. Shamefully, the federal minimum wage remains at $7.25 an hour. Can you believe that? Nobody in America can live on 7.25 an hour! That is why we got to raise that federal minimum wage to at least $17 an hour.
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He is talking to people in a country where many of them are still religious because, unlike most other countries with similar or even lower GDPs per capita, the distribution of wealth in the USA is so grotesque that many of them still have worse lives than many people in third-world countries and thus feel a need to believe.
A speech like this is a pretty good beginning in a country where the oligarchs have won the class struggle and managed to persuade 50% of workers that billionaires are the allies of the working class and the enemy is transsexuals, black people, foreigners, the non-existent 'Radical Left', windmills and showers that go 'drip-drip-drip'.
 
Don't know her name, but this older woman being dragged out of GOP rep Mike Lawler's town hall meeting in NY yesterday is likely to become a poster child for the resistance. She refused to leave and was dragged out by armed security thugs.
ETA: name is Emily Feiner. They dragged her out after Lawler refused to answer the question she asked him:
‘What was his red line? What would it take in terms of unconstitutional actions that the Trump administration was doing for him to finally exercise his oversight role and call for an end?’

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There is only one way to be sure of winning back power in a reliable fashion, assuming elections are still held, and that is to break the GOP hold on the electoral college, and lessen their presence in the Senate. This requires something along the line of progressives actually moving into the least populated red states, possibly via corporate relocation, and attempting to tip the balance. Probably way too late, and the trend is exactly the opposite. making matters far worse.

If not, emigration. The pitchfork class owns the country due to fake, made-up states and a rigged electoral college.
 
If the women was disrupting the town hall, then Lawler, much as I dislike him, had a right to ask her to leave, but from what I have read all she did was ask a question. That photo is going to backfire on him.
 
Hlafordlaes said:
There is only one way to be sure of winning back power in a reliable fashion, assuming elections are still held, and that is to break the GOP hold on the electoral college, and lessen their presence in the Senate. This requires something along the line of progressives actually moving into the least populated red states, possibly via corporate relocation, and attempting to tip the balance. Probably way too late, and the trend is exactly the opposite. making matters far worse.

If not, emigration. The pitchfork class owns the country due to fake, made-up states and a rigged electoral college.
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"Made up states"?

Which ones then are real?
 
dudalb said:
If the women was disrupting the town hall, then Lawler, much as I dislike him, had a right to ask her to leave, but from what I have read all she did was ask a question. That photo is going to backfire on him.
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ANd it is unreasonable to expect answers to your questions at a Town Hall. Those are not there to have politicians answer their constituents questions but rather for sound bites.
 
arthwollipot said:
If the question is of the format "x or y?" and the answer is "yes", that generally implies both.

I thought that was a pretty common thing.
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Maybe as a colloquialism, but looking at it strictly logically you can answer "yes" to an "X or Y" question if the answer is either X or Y, or both. The only possibility a "yes" answer doesn't cover is if it's neither X nor Y.

(I spent several hours today optimizing some messy SQL, and part of it was removing "or" statements because they can be resource hogs.)
 
Hlafordlaes said:
There is only one way to be sure of winning back power in a reliable fashion, assuming elections are still held, and that is to break the GOP hold on the electoral college, and lessen their presence in the Senate. This requires something along the line of progressives actually moving into the least populated red states, possibly via corporate relocation, and attempting to tip the balance. Probably way too late, and the trend is exactly the opposite. making matters far worse.
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So in a country that has been taken over by the billionaires' corporate interests and has already started 'relocating' parts of the population to prisons in El Salvador, your solution is to hope that the corporations belonging to the billionaires will begin to relocate people in a way that serves Democrats in an election 18 months from now?
You do know that those "least populated red states" are currently making it intolerable for progressives to live and work there, aren't you?
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If not, emigration. The pitchfork class owns the country due to fake, made-up states and a rigged electoral college.
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The pitchfork class doesn't own the country. The pitchfork class obeys the people who own the country, and those people are also the ones who pay politicians to rig the electoral college.

You are basically saying the same thing James Carville is saying:
It's Time for a Daring Political Maneuver, Democrats (NYT, Feb 25, 2025)
There will probably be more enormous tax cuts for the wealthy and Medicaid cuts hitting a lot of other people, but there is nothing the American public despises more than disorder and a broken economy.
And there's nothing Democrats can legitimately do to stop it, even if we wanted to.
With no clear leader to voice our opposition and no control in any branch of government, it's time for Democrats to embark on the most daring political maneuver in the history of our party: roll over and play dead.
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In a system rigged to secure election results like the most recent elections, the opposition has to abide by the rules:
'There's really nothing we can do about it but play possum and hope that the 'pitchfork class' will change their minds and start voting Democratic, so we can get back to the conditions that caused the current situation with the 0.1 percenters in charge and able to use their tax cuts to buy even more politicians next time.
It is pretty clear that James Carville and his class can live comfortably while doing nothing and hoping for the best. Their stocks and bonds probably won't suffer too much, and they don't belong to that class of people who will be affected by "Medicaid cuts."
Ben Shapiro video on Facebook, Feb 25, 2025:
James Carville: What I've said very publicly: The Democrats need to play possum. This whole thing is collapsing. It doesn't need Elizabeth Warren and somebody screaming to pacify some progressive advocacy groups in Washington, which, by the way, I wish these people were just useless. They're actually worse than useless, that they're detrimental, and they never ever learned to shut up. So then this is what I believe: I believe that this administration in less than 30 days in the midst of a massive collapse, in particularly a collapse in public opinion.
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We all know those screaming Radical Left lunatics like Elizabeth Warren (of all people!), don't we?
We can't have them try to raise opposition to the 'pitchfork class' and the oligarchs riling them up, can we?!
Let's wait for conditions to collapse entirely because we can't resort to doing anything illegitimate!
 
Clutch Cargo said:
Yes, correct.

An exaggeration.
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No. My father was in the Navy and most of his deployments were two years each. That is by no means atypical. If we couldn't have gone to live on base with him that would have left my mom with two kids on her own.

Clutch Cargo said:
Military service is voluntary.
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Forum rules do not permit me to respond as clearly as I'd like to that.
 
TragicMonkey said:
No. My father was in the Navy and most of his deployments were two years each. That is by no means atypical.
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And were you allowed to live on board with him? No, I didn't think so.
TragicMonkey said:
If we couldn't have gone to live on base with him that would have left my mom with two kids on her own.
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What did he expect?

["Voluntary military service"] >>>
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Forum rules do not permit me to respond as clearly as I'd like to that.
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That's too bad because i suspect we'd agree much more on that subject than we do on the subject above..

BTW: I am a Vietnam Veteran. You don't think we had our families with us, do you?
 
Hercules56 said:
"Made up states"?

Which ones then are real?
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Textbook example: South and North Dakota. About five guys in each standing around a cow patch, making sure no Injuns try to bury their dead on holy ground. Four US Senators for that bunch is a g-damned travesty.

The Senate, ostensibly, represents differentiable regional interests such that there may be a patchwork of varying customs in coexistence as equals, or that a regional enterprise is not made inviable by the majority vote of disinterested parties. All part of a broader notion of self-determination. Note, however, that the purpose of a constitutional republic is to also restrain any local or national majority from violating fundamental rights (Alabama religious lynch mobs, for example). This last is exactly what is under severe attack today, with Trump and his ragtag SCOTUS clearly preparing for lynch mobs to have their way by devolving national matters to the states (case in point: abortion).

If I had my druthers, all the states west of the Mississippi and east of the Rockies would amount to 3 or 4 large territories (much as they were before they were states). The subdivision into small, scarcely populated states skews representative democracy horribly toward ignorance financed by oligarchy (just as the cotton growers wanted; been there, done that).
 
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Trump Administration considering suspending Habeus COrpus becuase he US is being "invaded",
If Habeus Corpus goes,then it's time to invoker the second mandment to defend indivual rights..as much as some here dislike that.
 
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