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Screw Loose Change and other documentaries

xanthia94

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Hey!

When I was younger I watched the video "screw Loose change" and loved it and I want to watch it again but it seems to have completely vanished from the internet. All I can find is a translated version, so does anyone have it downloaded that I can torrent.

Also are there any other debunking conspiracy videos at the same caliber as screw Loose change?
 
Hello, welcome to the forums.

Your question about Screw Loose Change is answered here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305274

I've got "Screw Loose Change - Not Freaking Again Edition" as a FLV video in my archives. I downloaded it from Google Video when it was announced to be shutting down. It's 480 Mb.

As for debunking other mockumentaries, I'm not aware of any video of similar length. I know of a web page dedicated to debunking 9/11 Mysteries, http://web.archive.org/web/20100914184842/http://www.911mysteriesguide.com:80/ and not specific to any movie, there's http://911myths.com/
 
Thanks for the response, I have seen that thread and the question is not actually answered there. The links just lead me to the normal loose change documentary, can I possibly torrent your download of you somehow? I would be insanely grateful.

Also thanks for the link! I shall check it out
 
There is a video blog here; not sure if it includes SLC.

A similar video was made about 10 years ago called Screw 9-11 Mysteries--Clunkity-Clunk Edition:

 
Hey!

When I was younger I watched the video "screw Loose change" and loved it and I want to watch it again but it seems to have completely vanished from the internet. All I can find is a translated version, so does anyone have it downloaded that I can torrent.

Also are there any other debunking conspiracy videos at the same caliber as screw Loose change?

Hi.

I think it'd be neat to have a debunking video to counter popular 9/11 Truth claims, but in video format it's difficult to get the point across, especially when truthers make a bunch of false claims in a row, the audience, with their often short attention span, is often tricked into playing their game, if debunking shows any hint of uncertainty, which is the case for any real investigation in solving a problem or answering a question, lots of people will believe the conspiracy theorists "won"
 
Hi.

I think it'd be neat to have a debunking video to counter popular 9/11 Truth claims, but in video format it's difficult to get the point across, especially when truthers make a bunch of false claims in a row, the audience, with their often short attention span, is often tricked into playing their game, if debunking shows any hint of uncertainty, which is the case for any real investigation in solving a problem or answering a question, lots of people will believe the conspiracy theorists "won"

What questions do you want answered?
 
Hi.

I think it'd be neat to have a debunking video to counter popular 9/11 Truth claims, but in video format it's difficult to get the point across, especially when truthers make a bunch of false claims in a row, the audience, with their often short attention span, is often tricked into playing their game, if debunking shows any hint of uncertainty, which is the case for any real investigation in solving a problem or answering a question, lots of people will believe the conspiracy theorists "won"

PRoblem: There is no one left to get the point across to. There are no genuine 9/11 Truthers left, only trolls and the unreachables.
 
PRoblem: There is no one left to get the point across to. There are no genuine 9/11 Truthers left, only trolls and the unreachables.

What questions do you want answered?

My point is the people who believe 9/11 Truth need to meet us halfway and READ the counterarguments, such as the excellent posts in these forums, which is hard in this social media heavy era. They probably won't especially if they only have a passing interest or are too consumed by the venomous populism to seriously weigh their decision.
 
My point is the people who believe 9/11 Truth need to meet us halfway and READ the counterarguments, such as the excellent posts in these forums, which is hard in this social media heavy era. They probably won't especially if they only have a passing interest or are too consumed by the venomous populism to seriously weigh their decision.

I thought about doing a video once Illustrating the physics collapses and why building 7 did what it did, but I was never really good at yanking a table cloth out from under fine china. It was simply a momentum trick played by the movement frame and curtian wall.
 
My point is the people who believe 9/11 Truth need to meet us halfway and READ the counterarguments, such as the excellent posts in these forums, which is hard in this social media heavy era. They probably won't especially if they only have a passing interest or are too consumed by the venomous populism to seriously weigh their decision.

It doesn't matter. There are no genuine 9/11 Truthers left - those interested in actual answers and capable of comprehending those answers when presented.

Your intended audience does not exist and 9/11 Truth is now a tiny, insignificant lunatic fringe no one pays attention too anyway.
 
It doesn't matter. There are no genuine 9/11 Truthers left - those interested in actual answers and capable of comprehending those answers when presented.

Your intended audience does not exist and 9/11 Truth is now a tiny, insignificant lunatic fringe no one pays attention too anyway.

How can you say it doesn't matter. The very idea is powerful enough to influence large swaths of the uneducated public, who might otherwise trust the govt a little more, AT LEAST not believing there are a bunch of mass murderers roaming there, so we can have a more realistic view of government corruption in the U.S., not a cartoon one.
 
How can you say it doesn't matter. The very idea is powerful enough to influence large swaths of the uneducated public, who might otherwise trust the govt a little more, AT LEAST not believing there are a bunch of mass murderers roaming there, so we can have a more realistic view of government corruption in the U.S., not a cartoon one.

But does it, in fact, "influence large swaths of the uneducated public"? How would you test this hypothesis?

9/11 Truthers often proclaim that they have "millions" of followers, who are "awake", etc., and they additionally proclaim that their numbers are growing. But I found both claims unsupported by evidence: 9/11 Truth is mostly a thing happening on the internet, but there is nothing out there on the internet that suggests a following by "millions", and many indications that the support base is decaying.

In my opinion, the few tens of thousands of people worldwide who are still interested in 9/11 Truth have long ago organized themselves in a social media bubble. We visit them there. But there is little influence outside of that bubble.

They may have done the damage you describe 10 years ago, when Loose Change was all the rage, but then again, the way the Bush administration abused the outrage over the attacks to push through a crazy neocon foreign agenda and unwinnable wars probably did far more damage to the same populace.
 
How can you say it doesn't matter. The very idea is powerful enough to influence large swaths of the uneducated public, who might otherwise trust the govt a little more, AT LEAST not believing there are a bunch of mass murderers roaming there, so we can have a more realistic view of government corruption in the U.S., not a cartoon one.

How can I say it doesn't matter? Like this:

It doesn't matter. There are no genuine 9/11 Truthers left - those interested in actual answers and capable of comprehending those answers when presented.


You left out the important bit. That's the sort of thing a 9/11 Truther would do. Sorry, it just is.
 
How can I say it doesn't matter? Like this:

You left out the important bit. That's the sort of thing a 9/11 Truther would do. Sorry, it just is.

Not everyone knows the answers to the truther question though. They don't know that Jones, Gage, Harrit, Szamboti, etc. who had the best chance of formulating an argument against NIST have failed.

It'd be nice to have either in video or preferably written (truthers often don't read) a handy guide to questions truthers often ask and why 9/11 Truth leaders failed to challenge NIST. Just the gist, and maybe add some references for a more thorough explanation.
 
Not everyone knows the answers to the truther question though. They don't know that Jones, Gage, Harrit, Szamboti, etc. who had the best chance of formulating an argument against NIST have failed.

But then again, who even remembers the questions? More now than ever, when you turn off your computer, the 9/11 truth movement vanishes. It's been reduced to a small hard core of internet kooks, and has no real world presence left.

Dave
 
But then again, who even remembers the questions? More now than ever, when you turn off your computer, the 9/11 truth movement vanishes. It's been reduced to a small hard core of internet kooks, and has no real world presence left.

Dave

I have meet only three truthers in the past year, all Alt Right All Trump supporting Republicans. It is now just a political non intelectual thing.
 
Not everyone knows the answers to the truther question though. They don't know that Jones, Gage, Harrit, Szamboti, etc. who had the best chance of formulating an argument against NIST have failed.

It'd be nice to have either in video or preferably written (truthers often don't read) a handy guide to questions truthers often ask and why 9/11 Truth leaders failed to challenge NIST. Just the gist, and maybe add some references for a more thorough explanation.

This happened in 2007-2009. Many of the sites have been dormant due to lack of interest. Try typing the question in the search engine box at http://www.debunking911.com/ and it will probably be answered.
 
All I can find is a translated version, so does anyone have it downloaded that I can torrent.



Please allow me to remind members that Rule 4 prohibits posting copyrighted content or helping others share such content in violation of the holder's rights. I do not know the status of this movie in particular, but posting a torrent may be problematic. Otherwise, there is nothing wrong with a general discussion of this video and other debunking videos like it.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Loss Leader
 
Begs the question, was Screw Loose Change copyrighted?


Copyright arises once a work is put into physical form. It doesn't depend on the holder asserting his or her copyright, affixing a notice or anything else. A copyright holder can release a property into the public domain before that right expires.

My belief is that the makers of "Screw Loose Change" went out of their way to waive their copyrights. I don't know that, though. And the blog doesn't say anything one way or another. So the best course of action is to act as if a copyright does exist.


NAAMBAAL

(not as a mod but as a lawyer)
 
Copyright arises once a work is put into physical form. It doesn't depend on the holder asserting his or her copyright, affixing a notice or anything else. A copyright holder can release a property into the public domain before that right expires.

My belief is that the makers of "Screw Loose Change" went out of their way to waive their copyrights. I don't know that, though. And the blog doesn't say anything one way or another. So the best course of action is to act as if a copyright does exist.

Screw Loose Change the blog didn't have anything to do with Screw Loose Change the movie (other than that we probably gave him the inspiration for the name).
 
The Loose Change version used in Screw Loose Change starts with this notice:

Loose Change 2nd Edition contains unlicensed footage, including,
without limitation, copyrighted footage owned by FOX, CNN, NBC,
CSPAN and CameraPlanet, as well as Gedeon and Jules Naudet,
and James Hanlon. (directors of the documentary film entitled
"9/11 - The Filmmakers' Commemorative Edition").

The views expressed in Loose Change may not represent the views
of the copyright owners or the individuals featured in such
footage.

The Naudet brothers, Mr. Hanlon, the firefighters they
interviewed for their film, and Paramount, (which distributes the
Naudet/Hanlon film,) do not endorse or support the views
expressed in Loose Change.
 
Debunking Screw Loose Change: The Movie by Adam Taylor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c87YggkBsOY

That is funny. The video starts with Citizenfor911Truth, which is in the real world means MoronWithIdioticClaimsAndLiesfor911Truth. Sad 9/11 truth spreads lies about the murder of thousands by terrorists. Why do you believe lies?

Why do you publish lies about 9/11? The towers fell at over 12.08 seconds, simple physics proves this, and the core took over 20 seconds to fail; thus you posted lies and have no clue why the video is a big lie worthy of the Joseph Goebbels award for dumbed down lies only morons fall for.

Why do you post videos of moronic lies? Do you know you are posting lies? no

Adam Taylor is spreading lies, is he a russian troll, or clueless he is spreading lies? Is this the best 9/11 truth has, fooling nuts like the Boston bombers, and you?

You posted a video which proves 9/11 truth is based on overwhelming ignorance. Good job, you might win the debunking award of woo.
 
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Unfortunately Screw Loose Change(The Movie), is nowhere to be found on the internet.

There are however 2 possible ways you could view the information in the film.

You could read the Loose Change Guide as the rebuttal here is almost identical to what was in SLC.
http://www.911myths.com/911_loose_change_2_guide_1.doc
Or you could watch the movie in 10 parts on Dailymotion, but all the text is in french, but hey you can always use google translate.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xb62v6
 
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Or you could just ignore the whole thing and spend your life smiling and whistling and skipping down the lane and chatting with the robins and the blue birds and petting the puppies and kitteths. You don't need that 9/11 lunatic tripe eating away at your brain.
 
Or you could just ignore the whole thing and spend your life smiling and whistling and skipping down the lane and chatting with the robins and the blue birds and petting the puppies and kitteths. You don't need that 9/11 lunatic tripe eating away at your brain.

Yes, you can still save yourself, even though it's too late for the rest of us.

Dave
 
I've got "Screw Loose Change - Not Freaking Again Edition" as a FLV video in my archives. I downloaded it from Google Video when it was announced to be shutting down. It's 480 Mb.


Any chance of getting a copy of it from you? I'll upload it to my youtube channel.
 
Why did it disappear? It was sarcastic and crude in some ways, but it seemed to do a good job at debunking Loose Change's claims.
 
It disappeared when Google Video did, and apparently its author didn't re-upload it.
 
Also are there any other debunking conspiracy videos at the same caliber as screw Loose change?
This is a debunking documentary that I made a while back. It's not very good since its mostly just a compilation of clips from other documentaries, but it is a good introduction for newbie debunkers if they want to know what the argument they're trying to defend is.
 
Why did it disappear? It was sarcastic and crude in some ways, but it seemed to do a good job at debunking Loose Change's claims.

The creator contacted us about a year after making the movie, asking us to remove any mention of him from the blog. James and I considered it briefly, laughed and refused. I am not sure what was going on there.

Over the years we have occasionally had requests to delete material, and 90% of the time we have decided not to. The one exception I can think of was our post on Holocaust denier Rick Rajter, which mentioned two other individuals who happened to be on the MIT track team with him. There I was happy to remove the reference to the other two guys.

I can understand someone being embarrassed at having been a truther; I find it a little odd that the creator of SLC the movie was embarrassed at having done a fine job of debunking.
 
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