Sems to me your whole post contradicts the last sentence.SteveW said:My wife and I both smoke so when our 16 year old son started there was not much we could say. We buy him a carton a week, the same as us.
As to drinking, absolutely not. Smoking a cig doesn't impair your judgement.
Originally posted by SteveW
As to drinking, absolutely not. Smoking a cig doesn't impair your judgement.
The Fool said:
Bob.
Tony is a troll. He uses statements like "I see nothing wrong with parents allowing their kids to do alcohol or drugs." Because it is an inflamitory statement that he can then backslide on. If he meant "I see no great harm in allowing a child to have some wine with a meal" he would have said that. If challenged he will normally backslide on his statements saying that word X does not mean what people commonly believe word X to mean.... ie "kid" does not mean child..."doing alcohol and drugs" does not mean becoming intoxicated it means a sip of wine...
what bullsh*t.
I'm sure you do....can't justify, rationalise, explain or understand it, but stand by it anyway.....Tony said:
I stand by my comment.
The Fool said:
I'm sure you do....can't justify, rationalise, explain or understand it, but stand by it anyway.....
And should you ever have the oportunity to put your policy into practice, you will be a child abuser....congratulations.Tony said:
There is really nothing to justify or rationalize. I simply see nothing wrong with allowing a kid to drink or do drugs.
The Fool said:
And should you ever have the oportunity to put your policy into practice, you will be a child abuser....congratulations.
Wile E. Coyote said:<snip>
There are two things amiss about this:
1. She plays drinking games with him. This does not teach responsible drinking.
2. Why does she think he will not go out drinking with his friends anyway? Is it more cool to drink with your Mom than with your friends? I don't think so.
What are your views on this?
Tony said:Care to explain how giving a kid the freedom to make his/her own decisions constitutes child abuse?
Eos of the Eons said:Um, you're supposed to parent kids, not grant them freedoms that are harmful. Will you grant kids the freedom to stay out all night too? Will you grant them the freedom to have orgies in your home and raise the number of teen pregnancies as a result?
It is the parent's job to teach children, not just let them do what they want to. Being a parent is just that, you are supposed to parent the kids until they have the judgement and self control to make better decisions. This judgement and self control is learned from the parent.
Kids have bad judgement because they aren't aware of consequences. They can't understand them until a certain age. A hormone raged teen is not the best at making judgements and recognizing consequences. That is why they have parents to watch out for them. Kids also have less self control because they aren't aware or have the insight to recognize when an action is dangerous.
Noone grants a toddler the freedom to play on a road. It's dangerous.
Brilliantly argued.American said:That's all so wrong, I don't know where to begin.....
I'm a parent of three, and I see nothing wrong whatsoever with the post you object to.What kind of mother are you?! God. I'd kill myself so fast if I were your son.
American said:
That's all so wrong, I don't know where to begin.....
What kind of mother are you?! God. I'd kill myself so fast if I were your son.