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Cont: Musk, SpaceX and future of Tesla II


well now he’s out here sig hieling
Shaking my damned head. The dude is so awkward I can almost believe he did that unintentionally. But just almost, of course. He's a far-right crony at the coronation of a far-right wannabe king. No way was that an accident.
 
IMHO this is it for Musk. Tesla will go down. SpaceX will go down. People will just leave. Everything will be ruined.
Really?

I highly doubt that. Musk is too big to fail. He has ingrained his companies way too much by now to go down. Tesla, Space X etc. fans and customers world wide will be able to make all sorts of mental contortions to wave things away.
 
Shaking my damned head. The dude is so awkward I can almost believe he did that unintentionally. But just almost, of course. He's a far-right crony at the coronation of a far-right wannabe king. No way was that an accident.
someone so clueless that they might do something like this unintentionally would have been weeded out of being government-adjacent long ago in a working political system.
 
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Shaking my damned head. The dude is so awkward I can almost believe he did that unintentionally.
I am absolutely almost certain that this is the case. The second time he did it, he said "my heart goes out to you" and his gesture mimes that. I think he is so tone deaf he didn't realise what he was really doing. In fact, it is possible somebody else who is a Nazi taught him the gesture, explaining it in the same way as I just did.

Or he did it to troll people who aren't fascists.

But just almost, of course. He's a far-right crony at the coronation of a far-right wannabe king. No way was that an accident.
No. Musk has no ideology beyond "do what's good for Elon". He's not backing Trump because he thinks fascist policies are good (in fact he recently stated that one was bad for his companies), he's backing Trump because having a president in your pocket is a good way to grease the wheels. The same applies to Trump by the way. He's not right wing or left wing, he is Trump wing. He affects his political position because it gives him a base of power, no other reason.
 
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so what you're saying is, if he thought a sig hiel or two would make trump and his base happy then he'd do it.

fascist policies are good for the fascists, and he'd rather be in than out. i think it's splitting hairs to try and speculate what he really believes in his heart of hearts. and even then, he's proven himself to be a huge piece of ◊◊◊◊ a hundred times.
 
so what you're saying is, if he thought a sig hiel or two would make trump and his base happy then he'd do it.

fascist policies are good for the fascists, and he'd rather be in than out. i think it's splitting hairs to try and speculate what he really believes in his heart of hearts. and even then, he's proven himself to be a huge piece of ◊◊◊◊ a hundred times.
We can't keep giving fascists the benefit of the doubt when they show us what they are.

If they dislike the label they could always stop doing and saying fascist things, and associating with fascists
 
Really?

I highly doubt that. Musk is too big to fail. He has ingrained his companies way too much by now to go down. Tesla, Space X etc. fans and customers world wide will be able to make all sorts of mental contortions to wave things away.
Well he can always get enough engineers from India on H1B I guess. Tesla stock dropped but not significantly (so far).
 
Apparently Musk's Nazi salute was convincing enough that he's getting praise from actual Nazis for it.
The Dump sycophants on here will be on shortly to explain how that means nothing, I am sure 🙄 .
 
No. Musk has no ideology beyond "do what's good for Elon"
He has promoted neo-nazis on Twitter multiple times. He once agreed with someone who was promoting an idea that was two (goose)steps away from the Illinois Nazi scene from Blues Brothers.

If it weren't for these facts, I'd be open to the "unfortunate accident" hypothesis. However, I cannot deny that all the puzzle pieces are forming a very clear picture.
 
One of the EOs Trump signed allows Musk to give top secret security clearance to anyone he chooses, without a background check or national security protocols.

It's to 'ease the backlog' apparently.
 
One of the EOs Trump signed allows Musk to give top secret security clearance to anyone he chooses, without a background check or national security protocols.

It's to 'ease the backlog' apparently.
Look out for a new feature at X soon.
Pay a sum and get security clearance. It'll be the next blue checkmark.
 
One of the EOs Trump signed allows Musk to give top secret security clearance to anyone he chooses, without a background check or national security protocols.
If true, that is amazingly dangerous.

It's to 'ease the backlog' apparently.
Security is time-consuming and inconvenient by definition,
 
I am absolutely almost certain that this is the case. The second time he did it, he said "my heart goes out to you" and his gesture mimes that. I think he is so tone deaf he didn't realise what he was really doing. In fact, it is possible somebody else who is a Nazi taught him the gesture, explaining it in the same way as I just did.
He does support nazi beliefs about the jews as well, so why should a bit more nazi be supprising? Remember he regards this as the absolute truth "ewish communties (sic) have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them."

How much does someone have to show you they are a nazi for you to believe them?
 
One of the EOs Trump signed allows Musk to give top secret security clearance to anyone he chooses, without a background check or national security protocols.

It's to 'ease the backlog' apparently.
That seems extraordinarily unlikely. DOGE is an advisory committee, not a department of government. In what crazy* world would it have the power to hand out security clearances?

*Yeah, I know, but really? I mean, really really?
 
That seems extraordinarily unlikely.
This is all I've been able to find so far.
It mentions the "backlog" justification but says nothing about Elon Musk. And prior to Trump taking office, Musk himself was under investigation for allegations he violated his own TS clearance.
 
That Newsweek report doesn't suggest he's handed powers to Musk, but Trump's granted himself a magic wand to give anyone instant top security clearance, and his White House Counsel gets one too, to use "as necessary".
 
It's worth pointing out that the policy by which security clearances are granted and maintained is entirely within the President's authority. Elected officials don't get security clearances themselves; they're presumed privy by virtue of their election. But as ill advised as such a policy may be, the President is pretty much fully authorized to give out security clearances to whoever he wants according to whatever criteria he wants.
 
the obvious flipside is that someone who granted a security clearance to an at the time obvious security risk who abused it will risk professional and legal consequences, too.
But this SC made sure that the President never will face consequences, even if he give full clearance to an enemy of the State.
 
Any normal corporation would have fired CEO Musk overnight.
The Tesla board is just a bunch of Musk flunkeys and fanbois. Serious institutional investors should be very concerned about corporate governance but sadly institutional investors aren't that serious any more.
 
Any normal corporation would have fired CEO Musk overnight.
I think that depends on what the Board thought the job of their CEO was.
Musk certainly made pretty much everything about running the company more difficult, but he created unrivaled amounts of free publicity, an endless stream of investors and goodwill from government regulators.
Not worth the money, but probably worth keeping your job plus a few stock options.
 
I was going to post that.
Kira is always good for gaming and crypto stories.
He did one looking at Elon's actual gameplay about a week ago.
 
The Tesla board is just a bunch of Musk flunkeys and fanbois. Serious institutional investors should be very concerned about corporate governance but sadly institutional investors aren't that serious any more.
There's an awful lot of institutional fund managers who bet the house on Tesla, hence why very few analysts are willing to give an honest appraisal of the company's prospects (hard sell), as they'd be up that creek you go without a paddle if that happened.

The simple fact of the matter is Tesla is a lower end of the mid size car manufacturer which is dependent on government grants for all its profits. Without its meme stock market valuation it'd have been gobbled up by a traditional car maker 6-7 years ago for a couple of billion at most.
 
so what you're saying is, if he thought a sig hiel or two would make trump and his base happy then he'd do it.
Yes.


fascist policies are good for the fascists, and he'd rather be in than out. i think it's splitting hairs to try and speculate what he really believes in his heart of hearts. and even then, he's proven himself to be a huge piece of ◊◊◊◊ a hundred times.
I'm just not a fan of the fashion for describing every human turd as a Nazi.
 
He does support nazi beliefs about the jews as well,
He thinks they should all be gassed?


so why should a bit more nazi be supprising? Remember he regards this as the absolute truth "ewish communties (sic) have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them."

How much does someone have to show you they are a nazi for you to believe them?
I've spent almost the entirety of this thread pointing out that Musk is a lying liar. If he said the sky is blue, I'd go outside and check. I'm not going to start believing him just because he is saying things that play to my confirmation bias. Musk is not a Nazi, he is just saying these things for personal gain (in my opinion).

And it's looking quite successful at the moment.
 
Yes.



I'm just not a fan of the fashion for describing every human turd as a Nazi.
Conversely, I'm a big fan of calling every nazi a nazi. That was one of the mistakes made in the interwar period, treating the far right as normal people with normal agendas, when it was clearly and obviously not the case.

And we are making the same mistake of normalising the extremeism of the right while demonising the centre-left today.
 
i think he's not really a nazi so i'm going to give him a pass on the performative sig heil he did for the nazis he's trying to impress is such a weird position to me.

and honestly, i don't even mind a sig heil as long as there's some comedic or at least artistic merit to it. this is not the case here
 
He thinks they should all be gassed?

He has not been clear on his own answers to the JQ.

I've spent almost the entirety of this thread pointing out that Musk is a lying liar. If he said the sky is blue, I'd go outside and check. I'm not going to start believing him just because he is saying things that play to my confirmation bias. Musk is not a Nazi, he is just saying these things for personal gain (in my opinion).

And it's looking quite successful at the moment.
Just like many actual Nazi's in nazi germany. They were of course not real nazis even though they where high level officials as they were just in it for personal gain.

How often does someone need to make nazi statements and actions for you to consider them a nazi?
 
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