Jay Slater

This is a UK thing, let me see if I'm getting this...

A guy who's not too bright goes hiking - alone - in rugged part of Tenerife, and gets lost.

Local police conduct a search but don't find him because it's a rugged part of the island.

Guy who is not too bright has a questionable past. In the absence of facts speculation runs wild.

The result is everything is on the table, no matter how insane, with the exception of him just getting lost, and, or falling out of view.

At least they don't have Sasquatch on this island...or do they...?:rolleyes:
 
Vixen said:
I don't think he's kidnapped. He seems to have been involved in underworld activity, and Lancashire county drugs lines seems to be quite prolific owing to, (a) illicit drugs shipments arriving around the Blackpool area, (b) the drug cartel bosses needing people to distribute the drugs on the streets, and what could be more convenient than (c) cash strapped youths, such as apprentice bricklayer, Jay Slater and his gangster machete, baseball bat and weapons-wielding chums to do this stuff. Slater would have known it was dodgy given that he himself went after that young guy as part of a gang leaving their victim for dead (which he was not, thanks to a fifteen-year-old girl throwing herself over him to protect him, being more of a 'man' than the nine-member gang).

Yes, a lot of street violence in NW England - see the young girl shot on her doorstep and the young woman shot as she fled to her garden - as armed gangsters fell out over who stole whose cache of gear or welshed on their debts.

Jay Slater's parents know their son was involved int his stuff. They knew straight away he may have come to a sticky end but they could hardly spell it out to the mass media, being the stigma that it is. So now it has come out that he may have stolen a Rolex from some 'Eastern European' type (translated: thick necked foreign criminal with ill-gotten gains) and that he had been showing it off in the car he went off in with those two middle-aged guys. One guy has been identified, and well, well, well, it turns out he is a convicted drug smuggler who received a nine-year sentence. Seems to me Jay Slater went off with these two guys because he smelt a lucrative drug deal or some other such malarky.

Personally, I think he is in hiding, scared to come out because a whole bunch of violent villains are after him because he double -crossed them or stole their gear.
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I'm pretty sure I've seen that film.
 
Vixen said:
I don't think he's kidnapped. He seems to have been involved in underworld activity, and Lancashire county drugs lines seems to be quite prolific owing to, (a) illicit drugs shipments arriving around the Blackpool area, (b) the drug cartel bosses needing people to distribute the drugs on the streets, and what could be more convenient than (c) cash strapped youths, such as apprentice bricklayer, Jay Slater and his gangster machete, baseball bat and weapons-wielding chums to do this stuff. Slater would have known it was dodgy given that he himself went after that young guy as part of a gang leaving their victim for dead (which he was not, thanks to a fifteen-year-old girl throwing herself over him to protect him, being more of a 'man' than the nine-member gang).

Yes, a lot of street violence in NW England - see the young girl shot on her doorstep and the young woman shot as she fled to her garden - as armed gangsters fell out over who stole whose cache of gear or welshed on their debts.

Jay Slater's parents know their son was involved int his stuff. They knew straight away he may have come to a sticky end but they could hardly spell it out to the mass media, being the stigma that it is. So now it has come out that he may have stolen a Rolex from some 'Eastern European' type (translated: thick necked foreign criminal with ill-gotten gains) and that he had been showing it off in the car he went off in with those two middle-aged guys. One guy has been identified, and well, well, well, it turns out he is a convicted drug smuggler who received a nine-year sentence. Seems to me Jay Slater went off with these two guys because he smelt a lucrative drug deal or some other such malarky.

Personally, I think he is in hiding, scared to come out because a whole bunch of violent villains are after him because he double -crossed them or stole their gear.
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Have you ever actually caught a zebra?
 
I dunno, I laughed at first, but I think this Rolex story stands out from all the other anonymous stuff about drugs mules, missing bags, ransoms etc. by addressing virtually every question with a really simple and logical story: they nicked a watch, fled to the remote BnB with it, Slater wanted to get away, took an apparent shortcut, got into difficulties and died.

It explains all the weird behaviour from Slater then, the BnB guys then and now, his friends' cagey interviews, etc. Not that I'm saying weird behaviour always needs explanation, but there's a whole lot of it here and none of the involved parties are doing much to explain it.

I'm not endorsing the 'ransom' thing though. That doesn't make any sense.
 
The remains of a young man have been found in that area.
 
GlennB said:
The remains of a young man have been found in that area.
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The BBC is saying it was found near his phone's last known location. There's been no formal identification yet, but the Spanish Civil Guard said the evidence points to the body being Jay.



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Body matches Slater, found with Slater's possessions near the site of the last location of his phone.
 
A statement from the Spanish court just in: "We have a positive identification and more data: fingerprint tests show that the body is that of Jay Slater and that the death was caused by trauma consistent with a fall in a rocky area."

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Sadly not a surprising outcome at this late stage.

Once you move away from the resort areas and head north, the terrain is extremely ragged and steep, and depending on how far he made it, the search could have gone on for much longer.
 
Axxman300 said:
This is a UK thing, let me see if I'm getting this...

A guy who's not too bright goes hiking - alone - in rugged part of Tenerife, and gets lost.

Local police conduct a search but don't find him because it's a rugged part of the island.

Guy who is not too bright has a questionable past. In the absence of facts speculation runs wild.

The result is everything is on the table, no matter how insane, with the exception of him just getting lost, and, or falling out of view.

At least they don't have Sasquatch on this island...or do they...?:rolleyes:
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Nailed it.

Wonder if we'll see any Mia Culpa from the tabloid press, or soul searching of any kind over their despicable speculations?...Lol, just kidding awful people lack introspection abilities.
 
Axxman300 said:
Nailed it.

Wonder if we'll see any Mia Culpa from the tabloid press, or soul searching of any kind over their despicable speculations?...Lol, just kidding awful people lack introspection abilities.
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Jay Slater's family - like the friend of Nicola Bulley - went to the press and encouraged the public to help find their missing relative and set up Go Fund Me pages. It shouldn't be any surprise if members of the public then start speculating.

So, in this case, whilst Jay Slater fell to his death, likely accidental, there is still the intriguing question of why (a) he got into a car with a couple of Somali men twenty years older than himself, (b) why he only stayed 90 minutes at the men's rented Air BnB and (c) why he went in the opposite direction of his own holiday rental, given he was following Apple maps. The Quassim guy at the AirBnB is a convicted drug smuggler with a top sentence of nine years imprisonment. He was interviewed by Mark Thomas-Williams back home in England and told him that Jay Slater, 'Was alive when he left here' (the AirBnB). Maybe that is how gangsters talk but the mention of Slater being alive when he left the AirBnB seems to rather menacingly suggest that Quassim had foreknowledge that whilst he was alive then, he was not now. He seems to have had very little interest in helping find his young guest nor any particular alarm as to where he went.

Now that the public has become involved, of course they want to know what exactly happened and why, even if it was accidental, as seems most likely.

Bear in mind hundreds of people go missing every year and the information remains private amongst their loved ones.

The Bulley one went public because her friend had strong media links and people then wanted to help when her friend's plea for help was successfully broadcast in all the papers and mass media. (I myself said it was probably a mental health issue all along, and I was right.) Jay Slater's family IMV because of his gang involvement in the past in Oswaldtwistle (what a great name for a northern town) and the only reason he was an apprentice bricklayer was because he was ordered to do work in the community by the judge because of his being in an attack on another youth as part of a nine-strong gang, and they seem to have automatically jumped to the conclusion he might have been kidnapped. What parents assume their kid has been kidnapped by criminals unless they mixed with dodgy people int he first place? Slater is seen in many photos wearing designer brands which is surprising when you consider he was probably on minimum wage. So whilst his death may have been a sad accident, people are now interested in how he got to that point and what was with the Rolex watch (or AP watch) he was showing his friends on SnapChat in Quassim's hired car to the AirBnB. Perhaps he planned to sell it to Quassim and his unnamed friend but then decided to snatch it back and do a runner, instead of waiting a couple of hours for the ten o'clock bus.

I can't see why people wouldn't speculate, given his family went to the press and gave out regular 'updates'.
 
Vixen said:
I can't see why people wouldn't speculate, given his family went to the press and gave out regular 'updates'.
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Really? You can't see why some folks prefer not to pointlessly speculate over matters which have little to do with them?
 
phiwum said:
Really? You can't see why some folks prefer not to pointlessly speculate over matters which have little to do with them?
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Speaking only for myself, I am not surprised when people who get their jollies by speculating pointlessly over matters that have little to do with them say they don't understand why people wouldn't speculate pointlessly over matters that have little to do with them.
 
Vixen said:
Jay Slater's family - like the friend of Nicola Bulley - went to the press and encouraged the public to help find their missing relative and set up Go Fund Me pages. It shouldn't be any surprise if members of the public then start speculating.

So, in this case, whilst Jay Slater fell to his death, likely accidental, there is still the intriguing question of why (a) he got into a car with a couple of Somali men twenty years older than himself, (b) why he only stayed 90 minutes at the men's rented Air BnB and (c) why he went in the opposite direction of his own holiday rental, given he was following Apple maps. The Quassim guy at the AirBnB is a convicted drug smuggler with a top sentence of nine years imprisonment. He was interviewed by Mark Thomas-Williams back home in England and told him that Jay Slater, 'Was alive when he left here' (the AirBnB). Maybe that is how gangsters talk but the mention of Slater being alive when he left the AirBnB seems to rather menacingly suggest that Quassim had foreknowledge that whilst he was alive then, he was not now. He seems to have had very little interest in helping find his young guest nor any particular alarm as to where he went.

Now that the public has become involved, of course they want to know what exactly happened and why, even if it was accidental, as seems most likely.

Bear in mind hundreds of people go missing every year and the information remains private amongst their loved ones.

The Bulley one went public because her friend had strong media links and people then wanted to help when her friend's plea for help was successfully broadcast in all the papers and mass media. (I myself said it was probably a mental health issue all along, and I was right.) Jay Slater's family IMV because of his gang involvement in the past in Oswaldtwistle (what a great name for a northern town) and the only reason he was an apprentice bricklayer was because he was ordered to do work in the community by the judge because of his being in an attack on another youth as part of a nine-strong gang, and they seem to have automatically jumped to the conclusion he might have been kidnapped. What parents assume their kid has been kidnapped by criminals unless they mixed with dodgy people int he first place? Slater is seen in many photos wearing designer brands which is surprising when you consider he was probably on minimum wage. So whilst his death may have been a sad accident, people are now interested in how he got to that point and what was with the Rolex watch (or AP watch) he was showing his friends on SnapChat in Quassim's hired car to the AirBnB. Perhaps he planned to sell it to Quassim and his unnamed friend but then decided to snatch it back and do a runner, instead of waiting a couple of hours for the ten o'clock bus.

I can't see why people wouldn't speculate, given his family went to the press and gave out regular 'updates'.
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This case was really simple. I knew what had happened as soon as I saw video of the region he vanished into, and knew it was a safe bet he was dead at the bottom of a ravine.

And that's what happened. Take a look at the landscape where they'd find his body:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7TEbCuRI3s

Hardly a casual hike, and the terrain means there was a 90% chance the body would never be found.

All that other crap some people think is suspicious is what those of us working in the travel industry call normal tourist stuff. You're in a foreign country, you're young, you want to do all kinds of fun things. I assume alcohol played a part at some point. Tourists do dumb things, and sometimes it gets them killed.
 
Axxman300 said:
This case was really simple. I knew what had happened as soon as I saw video of the region he vanished into, and knew it was a safe bet he was dead at the bottom of a ravine.

And that's what happened. Take a look at the landscape where they'd find his body:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7TEbCuRI3s

Hardly a casual hike, and the terrain means there was a 90% chance the body would never be found.

All that other crap some people think is suspicious is what those of us working in the travel industry call normal tourist stuff. You're in a foreign country, you're young, you want to do all kinds of fun things. I assume alcohol played a part at some point. Tourists do dumb things, and sometimes it gets them killed.
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We won't know what the determination is until the inquest now. The UK press will go quiet so as not to prejudice any police investigation. Jay Slater was positively identified by his fingerprints, which suggests to me the UK police are in close communication as they have his fingerprints as a convicted person, otherwise why would Slater's fingerprints be on a database and easily matched to the corpse. The Tenerife police also refuse to confirm whether the 'Rolex' was found nearby the body, which to some is as good as a confirmation, otherwise they would deny it, is the reasoning of some.
 
Vixen said:
We won't know what the determination is until the inquest now. The UK press will go quiet so as not to prejudice any police investigation. Jay Slater was positively identified by his fingerprints, which suggests to me the UK police are in close communication as they have his fingerprints as a convicted person, otherwise why would Slater's fingerprints be on a database and easily matched to the corpse. The Tenerife police also refuse to confirm whether the 'Rolex' was found nearby the body, which to some is as good as a confirmation, otherwise they would deny it, is the reasoning of some.
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Biometrics.
 
Vixen said:
We won't know what the determination is until the inquest now. The UK press will go quiet so as not to prejudice any police investigation.
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:rolleyes:
Vixen said:
Jay Slater was positively identified by his fingerprints, which suggests to me the UK police are in close communication as they have his fingerprints as a convicted person, otherwise why would Slater's fingerprints be on a database and easily matched to the corpse.
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We know Slater was convicted, and hence his fingerprints would be on record. International sharing of such data is commonplace, though cases involving the UK are more restricted post-Brexit.

Vixen said:
The Tenerife police also refuse to confirm whether the 'Rolex' was found nearby the body, which to some is as good as a confirmation, otherwise they would deny it, is the reasoning of some.
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What is this supposed to mean?
 
I had the bad luck to run in to a very casual acquaintance of mine who is very friendly with Jays mother and had just returned from assisting in the search over in Tenerife. If you think there's a smell of ******** to some of the theories herein you'd pass out from the stench of the 'inside stories'.

Said casual acquaintance is a benefit cheating grifter of the lowest order. She'd befriend a turd if it might give her a benefit. I won't be repeating her tripe but the last words she said to me were, ' I think we're going to fall out'.
 
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